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Old 03-23-2012, 12:07 AM
 
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I live on a poverty level income and can't get grants and cimmunity college is not affordable.
If you went to a school like mine that provides generous financial aid, you would be able to afford it. You have to do research and choose a school that works for you.
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Old 03-23-2012, 12:08 AM
 
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Then I guess you will have to stay on welfare.
No he/she doesn't! They can go to college for free.
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Old 03-23-2012, 01:30 AM
 
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Well, obtaining skills is so easy. So they don't really have an excuse.

Skills aren't always marketable. Person A could get an accounting degree and person B could learn accounting on their own, but you can bet that employers will be lined up to hire A and B won't even get an interview.

I'm acquiring a skill for which there are no jobs, but there are self-employment opportunities, which is where I'm going.

It's like I worked out my own little flowchart and followed the forks until I found something I could do.

Have or obtain a professional skill? --> No --> Do you have a technical skill? --> No --> Can you create or perform something? (e,g, music, art, literature, design) --> No --> Can you sell something FTF? --> No --> Can you sell something online? --> YES!
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Old 03-23-2012, 01:33 AM
 
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Socialist State is here...Enjoy or choose to destroy this thug!!!!
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Old 03-23-2012, 01:38 AM
 
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Folks with little or income go to my university for free with or without pell grants. You have to have a family income of over $100k to have to pay any tuition at my school. Pell grants being cut is not an excuse.

Although, that is an interesting read in general. Thanks for sharing.

I had a dysfunctional family situation where a relative was claiming me as a dependent while my father was providing support. The relative had a lower middle class income in a high cost area and I did not qualify for any financial aid including Pell Grants.
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Old 03-23-2012, 06:29 AM
 
Location: Texas
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Over a ten year period, HALF the people in the lowest fifth of income move up to higher levels. Do you think they all won the lottery?
Excellent point. Talk to someone who started at the bottom and try to learn how they moved up- they actually know that it's possible as well as how it's done............
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Old 03-23-2012, 06:51 AM
 
Location: Hinckley Ohio
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Well, obtaining skills is so easy. So they don't really have an excuse.
You're making it too simple, not everyone in this country is walking around with an IQ above 100. Half of the country is under 100, FACT. Most of those people on the lower half of the bell curve are not capable of doing most jobs, much less running a business. You sit there on you high horse, assuming everyone else is capable of doing what you did. Well it doesn't happen that way in the real world, someone with an 85 IQ is not likely to do well in any school setting and any business they run will likely fail. Smarter people will eventually take advantage of them....
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Old 03-23-2012, 07:00 AM
 
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You're making it too simple, not everyone in this country is walking around with an IQ above 100. Half of the country is under 100, FACT. Most of those people on the lower half of the bell curve are not capable of doing most jobs, much less running a business. You sit there on you high horse, assuming everyone else is capable of doing what you did. Well it doesn't happen that way in the real world, someone with an 85 IQ is not likely to do well in any school setting and any business they run will likely fail. Smarter people will eventually take advantage of them....
Your post inspired me to look up the following information. Not really related to the topic, but it was interesting: Average IQ in US and 80 other nations
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Old 03-23-2012, 07:58 AM
 
Location: Texas
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Your post inspired me to look up the following information. Not really related to the topic, but it was interesting: Average IQ in US and 80 other nations
Very interesting! Good find........
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Old 03-23-2012, 08:08 AM
 
Location: South Carolina
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Your post inspired me to look up the following information. Not really related to the topic, but it was interesting: Average IQ in US and 80 other nations
I find IQ scores misleading because it is very hard to measure intelligence. Here are a few smart people who agree.

Alfred Binet French psychologist

"The scale, properly speaking, does not permit the measure of intelligence, because intellectual qualities are not superposable, and therefore cannot be measured as linear surfaces are measured."

Steven Jay Gould paleontologist

"the abstraction of intelligence as a single entity, its location within the brain, its quantification as one number for each individual, and the use of these numbers to rank people in a single series of worthiness, invariably to find that oppressed and disadvantaged groups—races, classes, or sexes—are innately inferior and deserve their status."
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