Who should be able to refuse to marry same-sex couples? (independence, state)

[rimmerama]

Only the state, because that's the only one that matters, and isn't private.

Why would an inter racial couple even want to force a religious figure to officiate their marriage, if said figure was against it?

[tvdxer]

Nobody's voted against an exemption for religious ministers yet. Hmmmmm....

[revrandy]

Originally Posted by tvdxer

Nobody's voted against an exemption for religious ministers yet. Hmmmmm....

Why is that a surprise? I am a minister and do not feel that I should be forced to undertake any actions which going against my religious beliefs. The same applies to any religious minister.

Personally I will perform marriages for same-sex couples, but I don't believe that someone against equal marriage should be forced to perform a religious marriage.

[Lolipopbubbles]

Originally Posted by jjrose

At least you're consistent.

I think it would be a very bad idea. Some races wouldn't be allowed to eat with others in some restaurants. Some religions wouldn't be excluded from some stores.... Not a good precedent to start.

I'm not understanding your analogy? This isn't about refusing. It's about not forcing. Gay people can still marry by the clergy who's religion doesn't forbid gay marriage.

[jjrose]

Originally Posted by Lolipopbubbles

I'm not understanding your analogy? This isn't about refusing. It's about not forcing. Gay people can still marry by the clergy who's religion doesn't forbid gay marriage.

I was responding to this.

Originally Posted by whogo

Yes. With the exception of emergency medical services.

The poster thinks services, except for emergency medical services, should be allowed to discriminate against people.

I think Churches should be the only ones who can refuse hosting marriage ceremonies. Everyone else is a pay for service business.

[steven_h]

Originally Posted by jjrose

Churches, because of the 1st amendment. All others are offering a for pay service, and can not discriminate.

A flawless opinion. Churches are exempt from any government dictation of what their religious beliefs should and shouldn't encompass.

[NJBest]

Originally Posted by rimmerama

Only the state, because that's the only one that matters, and isn't private.

Why would an inter racial couple even want to force a religious figure to officiate their marriage, if said figure was against it?

What if there is a religious figure for it?

[Lolipopbubbles]

Originally Posted by jjrose

I was responding to this.



The poster thinks services, except for emergency medical services, should be allowed to discriminate against people.

I think Churches should be the only ones who can refuse hosting marriage ceremonies. Everyone else is a pay for service business.

Oh ok, I think it's different when it's based on personal beliefs and religious beliefs. Although religious beliefs are quite personal to each person. For example I don't think a Mayor should refuse to perform a marriage ceremony but a Rabbi, Priest, Pastor should be permitted to refuse to based solely on their religion and if the church (hierarchy) allows it.

[whogo]

Originally Posted by jjrose

I was responding to this.



The poster thinks services, except for emergency medical services, should be allowed to discriminate against people.

I think Churches should be the only ones who can refuse hosting marriage ceremonies. Everyone else is a pay for service business.

So you believe government should interfere with the right of association?

Why should you give up individual liberty just because you own a businesss? Why does a business owner not have the same rights as a home owner?

If you were gay and getting married would not you prefer to spend your money with someone who respected your choice?

[jjrose]

Originally Posted by whogo

So you believe government should interfere with the right of association?

There are already laws in place to deal with discrimination from businesses.
If you choose to own a business open to the public, you have to allow anyone to purchase your products, or services.