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A fake 911 call made by Oscar Carillo, 26, led Pasadena, California police officers to kill an innocent college student whom they thought was guilty of robbery, reports the Daily Mail.
The cops thought....and then acted on some caller's information that the student was armed? No verification? No gun seen or aimed at them? Can't shoot for the knee cap or foot if you feel you MUST shoot??
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Do you start threads that declare "Another one!" when there is a black-on-black shooting, black on white shooting, or black on latino shooting, or white on white shooting, or white on latino shooting, or latino on white shooting, or........you get the picture in kodachrome?
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Do you start threads that declare "Another one!" when there is a black-on-black shooting, black on white shooting, or black on latino shooting, or white on white shooting, or white on latino shooting, or latino on white shooting, or........you get the picture in kodachrome?
I'm more interested in the actions taken by citizens reporting alleged "crimes" and the comportment of police than the color of the players- though that component is part of every such story regardless of what "colors" the various players are. It could be that a black cop shot McDade- don't know and don't care about the COLOR of the cop(s) who killed him.
I DO care that cops (and in Zimmerman's case, wannabe cops), are killing citizens who committed no crime. KILLING, not injuring, not tasering, not spraying, not restraining-KILLING! And citizens are reporting suspicions or, in this case, outright lies that have ended up getting people killed for no reason whatsoever. Does this concern anyone else?
I posted this LAST NIGHT (in case you think I am backpedaling due to your little snit centered on racism):
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This is not hoopla, it is exposing police corruption in America- something we need to take a good hard look at. If it was white on white or black on white or even purple on green doesn't matter. The bright light is shining right where it needs to be.
And don't think for a minute that, say, if a white "upstanding citizen" was involved in exactly the same scenario with a white "cracker", the same good ole boy cover-up wouldn't happen...even if the media didn't pick it up. Most of this stuff is not picked up by the media, but guess what? That doesn't mean it isn't happening with some frequency. Making this specifically about black/white racism is a red herring.
The above is from the Zimmerman-Martin thread around 9:15 pm 3/28/12. No, I don't expect you to have seen it. Nobody reads every post, nor is interested in every post.
What do you think about the issue as I frame it above?
The cops thought....and then acted on some caller's information that the student was armed? No verification? No gun seen or aimed at them? Can't shoot for the knee cap or foot if you feel you MUST shoot??
Did you actually read and comprehend the whole story? Police were called about two armed men that committed a robbery. When police contacted them this guy ran. When he was cornered by police he reached into his waistband where weapons are typically concealed. Why would an officer that believes somebody is armed and attempting to flee wait for him to pull a gun out first? Survival in a situation like this comes down to reaction time. If an officer believes their life is in danger they are trained to react accordingly. Nobody trains to shoot for any extremeties nor should they. Firing a weapon is only for deadly force, and officers have other tools and means to subdue somebody in a less lethal maner if deadly force is not warranted. Given the totality of the circumstances deadly force was warranted although he ended up not being armed.
According to the Los Angeles Times, a security camera video depicts that there were two young men involved in the theft of Carillo’s backpack from his car.
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The unidentified 17-year-old was arrested and charged with two counts of commercial burglary, one count of grand theft and one count of failure to register as a gang member as a condition of his probation.
He certainly wasn't innocent of a crime, and the guy he was hanging out with sounds like a POS, too. Unfortunately the caller and this guy both made extremely poor choices that lead to his death.
A fake 911 call made by Oscar Carillo, 26, led Pasadena, California police officers to kill an innocent college student whom they thought was guilty of robbery, reports the Daily Mail.
The cops thought....and then acted on some caller's information that the student was armed? No verification? No gun seen or aimed at them? Can't shoot for the knee cap or foot if you feel you MUST shoot??
I read about this case earlier, and just ... wow. Carillo wanted what, exactly? These guys to be arrested and have a hassle? Talk about your unintended consequences!
Any way you look at it, it was mishandled. Carillo should not have made a false call. The student shouldn't have run, etc.
Minorities better wake up. The legal system is geared now after 30 years of right wing pressure to give the benefit of the doubt to the person doing the shooting if the person getting shot is Hispanic or Black. If you think electing Obama has made things better you're not paying attention. He craves acceptance by those that despise minorities.
Did you actually read and comprehend the whole story? Police were called about two armed men that committed a robbery.When police contacted them this guy ran. When he was cornered by police he reached into his waistband where weapons are typically concealed. Why would an officer that believes somebody is armed and attempting to flee wait for him to pull a gun out first? Survival in a situation like this comes down to reaction time. If an officer believes their life is in danger they are trained to react accordingly. Nobody trains to shoot for any extremeties nor should they. Firing a weapon is only for deadly force, and officers have other tools and means to subdue somebody in a less lethal maner if deadly force is not warranted. Given the totality of the circumstances deadly force was warranted although he ended up not being armed.
The police apparently accepted the caller's words without question. The caller was lying. The police should know that all callers are not necessarily telling the story correctly. They might either be outright lying, as in this case, or or have "thought" they saw someone or something which can be quite inaccurate.
It's too bad the victim ran but what were the circumstances? What were his reasons? We will never know.
I actually read: "Police said that McDade allegedly made a motion towards the waist of his pants and that’s when they opened fire." Certainly this is different than reaching INTO his waistband.There was no gun in his waistband or anywhere else to reach for, so obviously they totally misinterpreted this movement. And what does that mean, anyway? Reaching "toward" some central area of the body while allegedly running? What are a persons arms doing while they are running- usually pumping back and forth or flailing around the trunk/waist area?
If the officers saw no gun drawn, why would they need deadly force?
Also, while this is apparently an ongoing debate among law enforcers, the courts are enforcing the need to warn before shooting. It would seem, by the cops own admission, that his hand moved "toward" his waist that NO WEAPON was seen and therefore there was time for a warning- or a "put your hands up NOW" or "drop to the ground face down" type of thing.
"The federal courts in recent years have enthusiastically taken up this topic and are enforcing the need to warn if it is reasonable to do so. Providing a threatening, violent, and/or armed individual with a warning prior to responding with a force tool can decrease the likelihood of injury or death to the subject. It is also critical to being able to defend that force response in later inquiries about the reasonableness of your actions and decision-making."
^Just a blog, so it can be dismissed easily, but it does seem that since no gun was seen, a warning or a command would be in order- then shoot if not immediately obeyed.
Minorities better wake up. The legal system is geared now after 30 years of right wing pressure to give the benefit of the doubt to the person doing the shooting if the person getting shot is Hispanic or Black. If you think electing Obama has made things better you're not paying attention. He craves acceptance by those that despise minorities.
After 30 years of right wing pressure?? LOL. I guess you've never heard of innocent until proven guilty? I hope you end up in a case where you get railroaded off without a trial. I wonder what tune you'll be singing then.
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