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Not a bad article, albeit a lot of Captain Obvious, 20/20 hindsight stuff. The quote from Machiavelli was a nice touch. Thanks for the link.
A lesson not mentioned is the importance of nailing down bi partisan support before embarking on foreign wars. Remember than in 2003, polling showed about 70% support for the war. Since many conservatives of isolationist/non-interventionist bent opposed the war, that 70% must have included some lefty Democrats.
But when things went south in Iraq, the left quickly dropped their support, and set about pulling the rug out from under W Bush, as a way to score petty partisan points. And they were quite successful at it--Bush ended his 2nd term with approval numbers in the 20's.
Perhaps if Bush had had the foresight to bring in some Democrats on board early on, then when things went south dems would have had skin in the game and less inclined to just walk away and blame Bush. Instead we could have pulled together as a nation to get thru the tough times. I still think that Iraq could have turned out more like Germany or Japan if we had had more persistence. But with the kind of partisan poltics we have now, we can't maintain any semblance of national unity when the going gets tough.
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Some people never learn even when told over and over.
How many time do we have to post the quotes from dems way before Bush even came onto the scene?
A DEMOCRAT was co-sponsor of the bill to authorize the actions.
In fact he was the MAJORITY LEADER of the Senate.
As we have seen with Ole' Harry, if the Senate Majority Leader doesn't want legislation to proceed they have the power to kill it.
Without the dems voting FOR the bill, it would have failed since THEY had the majority.
So, keep spouting your partisan lies and you will be shown to be just another partisan hack.
#1 Authorizing funding IS NOT a mandate to go
#2 Despite your own particular little partisan view Bush himself has stated HE made the decision to go. if you have a problem with that take it up with him.
A lesson not mentioned is the importance of nailing down bi partisan support before embarking on foreign wars. Remember than in 2003, polling showed about 70% support for the war. Since many conservatives of isolationist/non-interventionist bent opposed the war, that 70% must have included some lefty Democrats.
But when things went south in Iraq, the left quickly dropped their support, and set about pulling the rug out from under W Bush, as a way to score petty partisan points. And they were quite successful at it--Bush ended his 2nd term with approval numbers in the 20's.
Perhaps if Bush had had the foresight to bring in some Democrats on board early on, then when things went south dems would have had skin in the game and less inclined to just walk away and blame Bush. Instead we could have pulled together as a nation to get thru the tough times. I still think that Iraq could have turned out more like Germany or Japan if we had had more persistence. But with the kind of partisan poltics we have now, we can't maintain any semblance of national unity when the going gets tough.
yo, things went south cuz it became quickly apparent that we had been LIED to. no ties with bin laden, no wmd's.
i think you are mistaken in making the Iraq war any kind of partisan issue. it wasn't no republican, democrat thing. it was a PEOPLE thing.
and no, iraq wasn't going to "turn out like Germany or Japan," because IT DIDN'T turn out that way. Iraq is Iraq, and bad war is a bad war.
Going along with mediocrity on either side of the aisle is a good thing?
Compromise, my friend. Mick Jagger says, "You can't always get what you want," an he's right dood. There's a lot of people who would rather see the U.S. tank than stand behind it.
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Compromise, my friend. Mick Jagger says, "You can't always get what you want," an he's right dood. There's a lot of people who would rather see the U.S. tank than stand behind it.
But compromise between two pig headed parties with only their own special interests in mind isn't likely to give the country what it needs either.
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