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Old 04-03-2012, 04:17 PM
 
Location: Portland, Oregon
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Hey, why not...there are threads here championing every other F'ed up thing that can happen in the world as good.

Why not something endorsing eugenics, extermination of the weak, sexism, racism, imperialism, and classist opinions.

Just come out and say you want to live in a world where if some one is rich, they can do whatever they please and those that aren't can get f'ed.
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Old 04-03-2012, 04:33 PM
 
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Whether you like it or not, there will always be some aspect of social darwinism in society. Without it, the not-so-smart outbreeding the smart is an inevitability. Ergo, the decline of society and quality of life for all is an inevitability.

Good luck with your "social democracy" once that happens.
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Old 04-03-2012, 04:35 PM
 
Location: Maryland
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Whether you like it or not, there will always be some aspect of social darwinism in society. Without it, the not-so-smart outbreeding the smart is an inevitability. Ergo, the decline of society and quality of life for all is an inevitability.

Good luck with your "social democracy" once that happens.
I believe AeroDC has a thread along this theme. Something about Medicaid paying for 40% of the births in this country.
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Old 04-03-2012, 04:35 PM
 
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Whether you like it or not, there will always be some aspect of social darwinism in society. Without it, the not-so-smart outbreeding the smart is an inevitability. Ergo, the decline of society and quality of life for all is an inevitability.

Good luck with your "social democracy" once that happens.
Social darwinsim is not something that has existed since the dawn of man. It has little to do with survival of the fittest or Darwinism. According to Social Darwinism, the cast of Jersey Shore is more fit than almost every on this thread since their income is exponentially higher.
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Old 04-03-2012, 04:37 PM
 
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Whether you like it or not, there will always be some aspect of social darwinism in society. Without it, the not-so-smart outbreeding the smart is an inevitability. Ergo, the decline of society and quality of life for all is an inevitability.

Good luck with your "social democracy" once that happens.
Ah, considering how American lauds the fact that this is the land of "Rags to Riches," more often than not as the result of government largesse (see state supported colleges and universities just to name one). So, who gets to decide who should get a head even with modest help and who should not?
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Old 04-03-2012, 04:37 PM
 
Location: Maryland
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Social darwinsim is not something that has existed since the dawn of man. It has little to do with survival of the fittest or Darwinism. According to Social Darwinism, the cast of Jersey Shore is more fit than almost every on this thread since their income is exponentially higher.
Wrong.

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Social Darwinism 
noun Sociology .
a 19th-century theory, inspired by Darwinism, by which the social order is accounted as the product of natural selection of those persons best suited to existing living conditions and in accord with which a position of laissez-faire is advocated.
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Old 04-03-2012, 04:43 PM
 
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Social darwinsim is not something that has existed since the dawn of man. It has little to do with survival of the fittest or Darwinism.
Well I'm going to take a big leap here and assume that the OP's first sentence, "I don't see a problem with Social Darwinism, survival of the fittest." was referring to... survival of the fittest.

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According to Social Darwinism, the cast of Jersey Shore is more fit than almost every on this thread since their income is exponentially higher.
Actually, they are, in our current society. They by definition are more fit in a modern context based solely on the fact that they are able to acquire more money from others.

We have evolved far past physical fitness being the only form of fitness.

Although I would venture to say that if we were truly living under natural selection to its fullest extent, anyone stupid enough to hand over a dollar to the producers of Jersey Shore would not fare well enough to have a dollar to spare.
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Old 04-03-2012, 04:44 PM
 
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Social darwinsim is not something that has existed since the dawn of man.
Actually nothing could be further from the truth. While there are certainly examples of ancient societies casting off the elderly and the infirmed there just as many examples, even evidence from the earliest presences of modern humans, that demonstrate societies caring for the infirm and thus less productive members. And even in the most primitive societies, the children of the society are equally cared for regardless of status within that society.

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According to Social Darwinism, the cast of Jersey Shore is more fit than almost every on this thread since their income is exponentially higher.
And I foolishly thought that this was an intelligent discussion. The cast of Jersey Shore would be broke and walking the streets if society didn't support their unproductive lifestyles.
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Old 04-03-2012, 04:45 PM
 
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Wrong.
no, you are wrong and you proved my point

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The most prominent form of such views stressed competition between individuals in laissez-faire capitalism; but it is also connected to the ideas of eugenics, scientific racism, imperialism,[2] fascism, Nazism and struggle between national or racial groups.[3][
According to social darwinsim, Kim Kardashian and Paris Hilton , because of their social status and income, are more fit than you and almost every member on this board.

Bow and worship the Kardashians and Mike the Situation, for they are your superior
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Old 04-03-2012, 04:52 PM
 
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Ah, considering how American lauds the fact that this is the land of "Rags to Riches," more often than not as the result of government largesse (see state supported colleges and universities just to name one). So, who gets to decide who should get a head even with modest help and who should not?
That's something I can't answer with specificity. In fact, if there is one thing I would not mind the government spending billions upon billions of dollars on, it is education. My only point, if you read my post, is that some element of survival of the fittest will always be present in society, so it is not an issue of whether or not it is wrong, but how it is balanced with compassion.
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