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Old 04-06-2012, 09:19 AM
 
Location: Hoboken
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Originally Posted by ahigherway View Post
Maybe, just maybe, America will be a bit more credible when their "interventions" are not based on personal gain??

A simple "live and let live" approach would do wonders..


Peace,
brian
Ok so now you understand diplomacy frequently doesn't work. Next you need to learn that every country operates in its own self interest.
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Old 04-06-2012, 09:20 AM
 
Location: Italy
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WW2 it was tried and didn't work. Europe tried it in Yugoslavia and it didn't work either.
WW2 was too late.
You need to understand that war doesn't just "start." There is always a history to consider, and broken relations to evaluate.

Once you are at war, it is precisely because relations were not being worked on.

How often do we hear from news sources that countries are working on diplomacy. Very little! But it should be the backbone of all international relations.

Peace,
brian
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Old 04-06-2012, 09:20 AM
 
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No it's just releasing you are dealing with a ****ing moron and deal with them accordingly.
More name calling from a dumb conservative. Running out of arguments?
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Old 04-06-2012, 09:21 AM
 
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Ok , so at least you are honest enough to admit you hate capitalism. Unfortunately, your honesty ends there. You simply can't see the unfettered welfare state is bringing Europe to her knees.
Just like it's bringing America to its knees. America is running higher deficits than any European country.
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Old 04-06-2012, 09:23 AM
 
Location: London UK & Florida USA
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Name a European right-wing political party "on the rise" that suggests dismantling UHC.
Not sure where some on here feel that a UHC is some kind of Govt evil....
Oh yes i do.......... Fox News.
So Amazed how a system that is has been adopted by the rest of the free world and is being adopted almost everywhere except the USA is advocated by the wealthy to be a bad idea.......
I know why....... the wealthy have fantastic health care in the USA using the insurance companies.
The reason the rest of the World is watching the USA with their jaws dropping is that..... the rest of the World is NOT having a court decide their health systems. The rest of the World understands that the Supreme Court here is created partisan depending on who is in power when new Justices are appointed.
The rest of the World are watching with absolute disbelief how the most powerful Country in the World is treating it's citizens with such contempt and creating a them and us society with the corporations laughing all the way to the bank while good Americans die or go bankrupt because of the "Corporation health system USA"...... how proud America must be to be so gullible and brainwashed by the Insurance companies......... Doesn't happen in any other indutrialised country..... maybe that is why Europe amongst others is baffled by a supreme court hearing about health care...
That is going to be partisan anyway........ 5 Republican justices voting against and Four Democratic Justices voting for the bill...... mmmmmm that sounds like impartial decission making........ NOT!
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Old 04-06-2012, 09:24 AM
 
Location: Dallas, TX
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WW2 it was tried and didn't work. Europe tried it in Yugoslavia and it didn't work either.
And in both cases, the diplomacy didn't work because the opposition did not believe in it as you expect of the insane. The sane, however, value (at least) trying.
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Old 04-06-2012, 09:28 AM
 
Location: Pennsylvania
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WW2 was too late.
You need to understand that war doesn't just "start." There is always a history to consider, and broken relations to evaluate.
I already covered that when I talked about appeasement.

Remember what I told you earlier about paying attention?

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How often do we hear from news sources that countries are working on diplomacy. Very little! But it should be the backbone of all international relations.
You hear it all the time! Talks go on about Iran opening to inspection to make sure they aren't developing nuclear weapons with the UN talking to Iran, Russia talking to Iran, Turkey talking to Iran, China talking to Iran, the United States talking to Iran.
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Old 04-06-2012, 09:29 AM
 
Location: Pennsylvania
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And in both cases, the diplomacy didn't work because the opposition did not believe in it as you expect of the insane. The sane, however, value (at least) trying.
So I take it you are for military action in Iran then?
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Old 04-06-2012, 09:30 AM
 
Location: Pennsylvania
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Just like it's bringing America to its knees. America is running higher deficits than any European country.
Yet the United States isn't aging and has population growth which enables it to pay off its debt where as in Europe this isn't the case.
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Old 04-06-2012, 09:31 AM
 
Location: Hoboken
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Just like it's bringing America to its knees. America is running higher deficits than any European country.
Yikes, are you back for more? Of course we have the highest deficit we are the worlds largest economy. But when comparing useful data, like debt to GDP we are not bad. But you are correct. Obama's attempts at European socialism are driving that ratio higher.
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