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From the studies I've seen done correctly where they are comparing apples to apples the pay gap is very small. For the one where you see percentages like 25% less those are averages of the entire population and do not take into consideration things like career choices the "Mommy Factor" or other things that can drive down the average lifetime wages of females. Those are entirely unfair comparisons but it certainly makes for nice sensationalistic news story.
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Like this one in Burdells's third link:
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Last year's tax returns may already be signed, sealed and delivered, but April 20 is the day the average American woman will finally finish earning her 2009 salary — at least, the one she would have received if she were a man. That's because U.S. women still earned only 77 cents on the male dollar in 2008, according to the latest census statistics
I am a sales professional, therefore, my income is substantially higher than a woman working the switchboard in the office.
Does that count?
The female reps earn what I earn (if they produce as I do).
My son works i n food retail as a general manager.
The female GM's earn the same.
In fact, I've never worked for a business where women were paid less than men for doing the same job.
I believe that this is a leftie talking point with a baseless foundation.
i agree. I have never worked anywhere that women were paid differently than men, so I have a hard time believing that the "wage gap for equal work" exists.
like any statistical analysis... if you torture the data enough, it will confess to whatever you want it to.
Personally, I want to know what equal work really is. I don't believe that this is statistically measurable.
like any statistical analysis... if you torture the data enough, it will confess to whatever you want it to.
They don't have to torture it, just take an average without consideration of any other factors. It should be expected the average wage of women across the entire population is less than men because if it wasn't it would show discrimination against men.
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From the studies I've seen done correctly where they are comparing apples to apples the pay gap is very small. For the one where you see percentages like 25% less those are averages of the entire population and do not take into consideration things like career choices the "Mommy Factor" or other things that can drive down the average lifetime wages of females. Those are entirely unfair comparisons but it certainly makes for nice sensationalistic news story.
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Like this one in Burdells's third link:
As long as we're picking cherries, from the same link: But industry doesn't tell the whole story. Women earned less than men in all 20 industries and 25 occupation groups surveyed by the Census Bureau in 2007 — even in fields in which their numbers are overwhelming. Female secretaries, for instance, earn just 83.4% as much as male ones. And those who pick male-dominated fields earn less than men too: female truck drivers, for instance, earn just 76.5% of the weekly pay of their male counterparts.Read more: Equal Pay and the Gender Gap: Men Still Outearn Women - TIME
Do you really consider 16% and 23% pay differences 'very small'?
I'd bet a lot depends on which side of that difference you're on.
As long as we're picking cherries, from the same link: But industry doesn't tell the whole story. Women earned less than men in all 20 industries and 25 occupation groups surveyed by the Census Bureau in 2007 — even in fields in which their numbers are overwhelming. Female secretaries, for instance, earn just 83.4% as much as male ones. And those who pick male-dominated fields earn less than men too: female truck drivers, for instance, earn just 76.5% of the weekly pay of their male counterparts.Read more: Equal Pay and the Gender Gap: Men Still Outearn Women - TIME
Do you really consider 16% and 23% pay differences 'very small'?
I'd bet a lot depends on which side of that difference you're on.
Selective cherry-picking indeed!
Has it EVER occurred to you that there could be MANY reasons why, in any given job market, women may average less pay than men? Perhaps degree of education? Years of experience? Ability to do a particular job that is physically demanding?
I'm sure you HAVEN'T thought about those things...
i agree. I have never worked anywhere that women were paid differently than men, so I have a hard time believing that the "wage gap for equal work" exists.
like any statistical analysis... if you torture the data enough, it will confess to whatever you want it to.
Personally, I want to know what equal work really is. I don't believe that this is statistically measurable.
So how, exactly, were you privy to what wages were paid to whom? Most companies closely guard this information and forbid employees to discuss their salaries.
So how, exactly, were you privy to what wages were paid to whom? Most companies closely guard this information and forbid employees to discuss their salaries.
Well, that's illegal for a company to do. I once worked at a company that tried this tactic, and threatened us, and i quit.
i'm not going to tell you how i know, just that knowing what my colleagues make is a very high priority for me.
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