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Old 06-07-2009, 09:52 PM
 
Location: Chicago's Southside
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Many small business owners tend to vote Republican. Will one of you please explain why? I assume most of you have a customer base that is made up primarily of middle class workers. Republicans have declared war on the middle class and destroyed their ability to prosper. They have encouraged the exporting of good paying jobs and the destruction of our manufacturing base continuing the shrinking of your customer base. Health care is a major expense that Republicans don't want to fix. Again, please explain why you would vote Republican?
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Old 06-07-2009, 09:54 PM
 
Location: Raleigh, NC
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Why would an anti-war person vote Democrat? You'll find the same answer.
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Old 06-07-2009, 09:56 PM
 
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Scared. Low IQ's.

Although GOP policies are bad for the middle class they make up for this by playing upon cultural divides to fool unsophisticated voters.

They get them to vote against queeers, flag burners, traitors, lazy minorities, etc. Then bend them over on tax policy, public education, healthcare, job security, safety and enviromental standards etc.
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Old 06-07-2009, 10:01 PM
 
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Scared. Low IQ's.

Although GOP policies are bad for the middle class they make up for this by playing upon cultural divides to fool unsophisticated voters.

They get them to vote against queeers, flag burners, traitors, lazy minorities, etc. Then bend them over on tax policy, public education, healthcare, job security, safety and enviromental standards etc.
There's definitely a truth to that, but as someone who votes Democrat I am just as guilty of supporting a lot of big tax government initiatives with which I do not necessarily agree because I value the progressive social agenda for sustainability, equal opportunity, and diplomacy more than a tax structure (which can be ammended far more easily than ecological collapse).

Thus is the cost of a system with only two parties.
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Old 06-07-2009, 10:04 PM
 
Location: I currently exist only in a state of mind. one too complex for geographic location.
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why would those same people vote for a party who thinks that it's the responsibility of the federal government to provide family planning for 3rd world countries that give us nothing?
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Old 06-07-2009, 10:04 PM
 
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There's definitely a truth to that, but as someone who votes Democrat I am just as guilty of supporting a lot of big tax government initiatives with which I do not necessarily agree because I value the progressive social agenda for sustainability, equal opportunity, and diplomacy more than a tax structure (which can be ammended far more easily than ecological collapse).

Thus is the cost of a system with only two parties.
Beautifully said. I think I'd have to agree with that myself. It's frustrating, because we basically only have two options, and we get driven into this monotonous debate between "right versus left". I know that I'm categorized and stereotyped by many, and I catch myself doing the same with those who call themselves conservatives. I wish we had more choices, but with the way our political system is set up, I don't think it's ever going to happen.
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Old 06-07-2009, 10:13 PM
 
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Most small business owners support Republicans because most far left Democrats have no clue how to run a business successfully.
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Old 06-07-2009, 10:13 PM
 
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Beautifully said. I think I'd have to agree with that myself. It's frustrating, because we basically only have two options, and we get driven into this monotonous debate between "right versus left". I know that I'm categorized and stereotyped by many, and I catch myself doing the same with those who call themselves conservatives. I wish we had more choices, but with the way our political system is set up, I don't think it's ever going to happen.
A social progressive movement tied to true fiscal conservatism would, I think, garner a great deal of support.

I imagine people saying, for example, "Okay. We are destroying our planet. Rather than fight it or tax the hell out of people, let's find ways for the market solve it." That's starting to happen, but not enough.

There's really no reason social progressive values must be hinged to fiscally liberal values any more than there's a reason fiscal conservatives must somehow share a bed with people who seek to use government to impose their religious values. It's just the way things have shaken out.
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Old 06-07-2009, 10:17 PM
 
Location: I currently exist only in a state of mind. one too complex for geographic location.
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A social progressive movement tied to true fiscal conservatism would, I think, garner a great deal of support.

I imagine people saying, for example, "Okay. We are destroying our planet. Rather than fight it or tax the hell out of people, let's find ways for the market solve it." That's starting to happen, but not enough.

There's really no reason social progressive values must be hinged to fiscally liberal values any more than there's a reason fiscal conservatives must somehow share a bed with people who seek to use government to impose their religious values. It's just the way things have shaken out.

tell that to ron paul and barry goldwater.
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Old 06-07-2009, 10:24 PM
 
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There's definitely a truth to that, but as someone who votes Democrat I am just as guilty of supporting a lot of big tax government initiatives with which I do not necessarily agree because I value the progressive social agenda for sustainability, equal opportunity, and diplomacy more than a tax structure (which can be ammended far more easily than ecological collapse).

Thus is the cost of a system with only two parties.
What would be an example of a "big tax government initiative" you don't agree with?
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