Welcome to City-Data.com Forum!
U.S. CitiesCity-Data Forum Index
Go Back   City-Data Forum > General Forums > Politics and Other Controversies
 [Register]
Please register to participate in our discussions with 2 million other members - it's free and quick! Some forums can only be seen by registered members. After you create your account, you'll be able to customize options and access all our 15,000 new posts/day with fewer ads.
View detailed profile (Advanced) or search
site with Google Custom Search

Search Forums  (Advanced)
Reply Start New Thread
 
Old 05-02-2012, 10:41 AM
 
27,623 posts, read 21,140,218 times
Reputation: 11095

Advertisements

In July of 1798, Congress passed – and President John Adams signed - “An Act for the Relief of Sick and Disabled Seamen.” The law authorized the creation of a government operated marine hospital service and mandated that privately employed sailors be required to purchase health care insurance.

Keep in mind that the 5th Congress did not really need to struggle over the intentions of the drafters of the Constitutions in creating this Act as many of its members were the drafters of the Constitution.


Congress Passes Socialized Medicine and Mandates Health Insurance -In 1798 - Forbes

Very interesting...
Reply With Quote Quick reply to this message

 
Old 05-02-2012, 10:45 AM
 
Location: Tampa Florida
22,229 posts, read 17,865,913 times
Reputation: 4585
I guess the Founding Fathers were turning over in their graves. Oh wait .... errr, never mind.
Reply With Quote Quick reply to this message
 
Old 05-02-2012, 10:48 AM
 
Location: San Diego, CA
10,581 posts, read 9,789,910 times
Reputation: 4174
//www.city-data.com/forum/polit...-mandated.html

//www.city-data.com/forum/polit...socialism.html

//www.city-data.com/forum/polit...e-mandate.html
Reply With Quote Quick reply to this message
 
Old 05-02-2012, 10:49 AM
 
13,694 posts, read 9,018,075 times
Reputation: 10417
An interesting read indeed! Also, click on the link at the end of the article leading to another article by a guy who 'checked up' on the original article.

I still have a bit of a problem about using the Commerce Clause in the present situation (the individual mandate), but that article is something to think about.
Reply With Quote Quick reply to this message
 
Old 05-02-2012, 10:58 AM
 
56,988 posts, read 35,227,522 times
Reputation: 18824
The Founding Fathers were modern day Conservative Republicans and would've never considered something like that. Those links are falsehoods.
Reply With Quote Quick reply to this message
 
Old 05-02-2012, 11:00 AM
 
Location: Fort Worth Texas
12,481 posts, read 10,229,228 times
Reputation: 2536
Several big diffrences.
the act was 2 pages long and everyone could read it before it passed unlike famous Nancy who claimed we had to pass it to know what is in it.
since it was withheld from wages, i would be a tax
I do not see a penalty for not participating.
the tax was son a small segment of society everyone was not forced to be part of it/
Reply With Quote Quick reply to this message
 
Old 05-02-2012, 11:01 AM
 
56,988 posts, read 35,227,522 times
Reputation: 18824
Quote:
Originally Posted by wjtwet View Post
Several big diffrences.
the act was 2 pages long and everyone could read it before it passed unlike famous Nancy who claimed we had to pass it to know what is in it.
since it was withheld from wages, i would be a tax
I do not see a penalty for not participating.
the tax was son a small segment of society everyone was not forced to be part of it/
So if we cut "Obamacare" down to 2 pages, THEN it would be acceptable?
Reply With Quote Quick reply to this message
 
Old 05-02-2012, 11:03 AM
 
27,623 posts, read 21,140,218 times
Reputation: 11095
Quote:
Originally Posted by legalsea View Post
An interesting read indeed! Also, click on the link at the end of the article leading to another article by a guy who 'checked up' on the original article.

I still have a bit of a problem about using the Commerce Clause in the present situation (the individual mandate), but that article is something to think about.
I have not read the article on that link yet, but the "act" appears to be pretty cut and dry...


Quote:
Wth July,1798.CHAP. [94.] An act for the relief of sick and disabled seamen.1 § 1.

Be it enacted, Sfc.That from and after the first day of September next, the master or ownerof every ship or vessel of the United States, arriving from a foreign port into any port of theUnited States, shall, before such ship or vessel shall be admitted to an entry, render to the collector a true account of the number of seamen that shall have been employed on board suchvessel since she was last entered at any port in the United States, and shall pay, to the saidcollector, at the rate of twenty cents per month for every seaman so employed ; which sum he ishereby authorized to retain out of the wages of such seamen.


§ 3. That it shall be the duty of the several collectors to make a quarterly return of the sumscollected by them, respectively, by virtue of this act, to the secretary of the treasury ; and thepresident of the United States is hereby authorized, out of the same, to provide for the temporaryrelief and maintenance of sick, or disabled seamen, in the hospitals or other proper institutionsnow established in the several ports of the United States, or in ports where no such institutionsexist, then in such other manner as he shall direct:Provided,that the moneys collected in anyone district, shall be expended within the same.
Reply With Quote Quick reply to this message
 
Old 05-02-2012, 11:09 AM
 
48,502 posts, read 96,894,387 times
Reputation: 18305
Quote:
Originally Posted by sickofnyc View Post
In July of 1798, Congress passed – and President John Adams signed - “An Act for the Relief of Sick and Disabled Seamen.” The law authorized the creation of a government operated marine hospital service and mandated that privately employed sailors be required to purchase health care insurance.

Keep in mind that the 5th Congress did not really need to struggle over the intentions of the drafters of the Constitutions in creating this Act as many of its members were the drafters of the Constitution.


Congress Passes Socialized Medicine and Mandates Health Insurance -In 1798 - Forbes

Very interesting...
Its no different than we allow unions to have polls of insurance as well as other pools. I unons often it is mandated byt eh empoloyer that you join. Its a poll that is pushed by those workig i the pol to have.Its not mandated totally tho because in mnay a perosn can otpotu and in nay case one can seek other employement where its optional or not available too.I this case its a national pool;with mnay to be covered by medicaid and actaulyl taxesw some for toehrs coverage.There is no out optio at all andf the covewrage is nadated as to what is bought. that is why thsi is not be used to defend the mandated coverage in the suit.
Reply With Quote Quick reply to this message
 
Old 05-02-2012, 11:11 AM
 
27,623 posts, read 21,140,218 times
Reputation: 11095
Quote:
Originally Posted by wjtwet View Post
Several big diffrences.
the act was 2 pages long and everyone could read it before it passed unlike famous Nancy who claimed we had to pass it to know what is in it.
since it was withheld from wages, i would be a tax
I do not see a penalty for not participating.
the tax was son a small segment of society everyone was not forced to be part of it/
You really need to understand that the civilians of the day were able to trade chickens for medical care with their local country doctors. They were obviouslly not a burden on the taxpayer. The penalty for not participating was being denied the opportunity to work as a sailor aboard a commercial ship, which I'm sure was a very necessary industry in those days.
Reply With Quote Quick reply to this message
Please register to post and access all features of our very popular forum. It is free and quick. Over $68,000 in prizes has already been given out to active posters on our forum. Additional giveaways are planned.

Detailed information about all U.S. cities, counties, and zip codes on our site: City-data.com.


Reply
Please update this thread with any new information or opinions. This open thread is still read by thousands of people, so we encourage all additional points of view.

Quick Reply
Message:


Over $104,000 in prizes was already given out to active posters on our forum and additional giveaways are planned!

Go Back   City-Data Forum > General Forums > Politics and Other Controversies

All times are GMT -6. The time now is 06:47 AM.

© 2005-2024, Advameg, Inc. · Please obey Forum Rules · Terms of Use and Privacy Policy · Bug Bounty

City-Data.com - Contact Us - Archive 1, 2, 3, 4, 5, 6, 7, 8, 9, 10, 11, 12, 13, 14, 15, 16, 17, 18, 19, 20, 21, 22, 23, 24, 25, 26, 27, 28, 29, 30, 31, 32, 33, 34, 35, 36, 37 - Top