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FWIW - The Fukishima reactors withstood the earthquake without damage. The destruction of the emergency power supply by the tsunami is what did them in. This was a record breaking tsunami well above any record or reasonable prediction. The planet can still surprise us.
There is radiation and radioactive substances leaking from the damaged reactors but this is not the end of the world or even the end of Northern Japan. Steps will be taken as soon as the immediate (10 meters or so) area of the leaking reactor cools down below lethal levels. Then the reactor will be encased or cut up and buried somewhere.
This is one incident in a long history of safe operation of nuclear electric power. Chernobyl was a massive operating error that was the result of some boneheaded fool. These are the only incidents where anyone was injured let alone killed. We should not let these keep us from pursuing nuclear power as no other source has the capability of providing the concentrated quantities of energy with the potential for creating more fuel than it consumes.
These reactors, when combined with full fuel recycle are mankind’s’ perpetual power machine that can provide the heat to waste carbon into petroleum substitute and well as provide electricity and district heat at the same time. We should not let a couple of “accidents” frighten us away from a technology that offers a first world high energy life style to everyone on the planet. We have learned how to properly plan, design build and operate a safe nuclear power industry. Now we have to get back on track and build it.
^^^This^^^ is a well reasoned rational response based on logic and reason.
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Originally Posted by modeerf
Soil samples are 200 - 12,000 times greater than the Belarus evacuation area.
Cesium found in plankton over a 600 kilometers off shore.
Yours is a typical inflammatory post based on sensationalism that says absolutely nothing.
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Originally Posted by modeerf
This is a clear example of our paid servants not doing what we hired them to do.
Then why are you not living in a tent?
If you are so afraid, and it is so dangerous, you should be practicing what you preach and living in a tent.
In fact, you would have been living in a tent before reactor incident.
When I see evidence that you are living in a tent, I will judge you to be at least somewhat credible.
I will now demonstrate how ludicrous and inflammatory your rhetoric is.
The operand is "specific activity."
We measure specific activity in Curies. The Metric System uses Becquerels. So, then, which is more harmful to you, 1 gram of Radon-226 (that is in your basement) or 1 gram of Depleted Uranium?
The answer is 1 gram of Radon-226.
Is it possible that Depleted Uranium could ever be as harmful as Radon-226?
Yes, but you would need 3 Million grams --- 3,000 kilograms -- 7,620 pounds --- 3.81 Tons --- of Depleted Uranium to equal the harm done by one gram of Radon-226 that is in your basement, in your backyard, in your office building, in your grocery store, in your hospital, in your doctor's office, etc etc etc.
That is specific activity. Specific activity is based on the rate of decay. All radio-isotopes are unstable and they eventually decay, changing into another element. If that element is stable, like lead or boron, then there is no further (perceptible) decay. If it is another unstable radio-isotope, then it will continue to decay.
Very obviously, you have no clue what you are talking about, so why would you post something so inflammatory and sensational?
You don't even understand the numbers you're looking at. Just so everyone is clear on the concept:
1 nano Curie = 1/billionth of a Curie
1 pico Curie = 1/trillionth of a Curie
The EPA reports that a liter of milk had 30 pico Curies. Let's do some comparisons.
You as a human being give off an average of 189 nano Curies.
Which is more dangerous, a human being or 30 pico Curies?
A human being.
You are radioactive because you have Carbon 14, and then lots of radio-isotopes of Oxygen, Potassium, Phosphates and other compounds.
If a person weighing 185 pounds gives off 189 nanoCuries of radiation, then you can imagine what a fat-body pushing 300 pounds would give off -- almost 400 nanoCuries of radiation.
1 kg (2.2 pounds) of coffee gives off 27 nano Curies.
Again, which is more dangerous, 2 pounds of coffee or 30 pico Curies?
Coffee. Coffee is 300x more dangerous than the milk allegedly contaminated by the Fukishima incident.
When did you stop drinking coffee? Well, you and everyone else didn't stop drinking coffee so that means either you have no clue what you are talking about, or you are a propaganda artist trying to instill fear.
And so if you really believed the crap you are spewing, you would not be living in a home, or an apartment, or working in any building or going shopping, except in outdoor markets, because those things are more dangerous than anything the EPA or anyone else has reported thus far.
Everything in your home is radioactive and gives off radiation: the cement, the masonry (especially clay bricks), the wood, which is the floors and framing of your home and the dry-wall, the freaking wooden furniture.
So why aren't you living in a tent?
Are you an hypocrite?
Actually, you should stay away from out-door markets because bananas, potatoes, carrots and nearly all tubers are more radioactive than the, um, "contaminated milk" (snicker).
My advice is that instead of remaining ignorant and in the dark, and allowing others to prey on your fears and whip you into a frenzy, go educate yourself to the truth.
Thanks for posting those reports. It's amazing how NOT inexpensive Nuclear power really is, when all aspects are calculated.
Some people that run this world are absolute idiots. Filled with unhealthy drives for power and greed. Pride is the fall of man. The love of money is the root of it's evil.
Oh there is plenty more, but you don't hear it discussed like it should be. I agree. Nuclear power is supporting the MIC. A free market would not support it. The so called govts "insure" it. A private insurance company sure doesn't want to.
We do not need nuclear. LENR and similar tech can replace this. Nuclear "COST" isn't being accurately reported.
The government never tells us the truth.. remember how slow Obama reacted to the oil spill in the gulf? They down play everything .. we are in the dark as far as what goes on.
We the masses are at the mercies of all that is come upon us. debt, disaster, lies, financial crisis, weak banking system. weak dollar, hyperinflation, germ warfare, nuclear warfare, and does anyone even know how to protect themselves from it all.. liberals get the picture of the tin foil hat out and post as you usually do as you ignore....we are even at the mercy of gamma rays or nuclear fallout. We are all sitting ducks as the world self destructs as we argue on petty matters.
We will have world war III because common sense is about dead as we think we are in a safe place by putting our trust in those who lack the most common sense.
We have not learned many lessons and keep doing the same mistakes over and over as history as our leaders repeat the same errors.
It is a big world game driven by greed, power and lies as the masses are brainwashed thinking grave destruction can't possibly happen.
We have lost the blessing on this great country. Many feel they have no need of God now.. in time there will be too much problems and many will still curse God. It is all written. The famines, the sores on the skin, the death of sea creatures, much death and destruction,and what man will do as they have become their own god.
^^^This^^^ is a well reasoned rational response based on logic and reason.
Yours is a typical inflammatory post based on sensationalism that says absolutely nothing.
Then why are you not living in a tent?
If you are so afraid, and it is so dangerous, you should be practicing what you preach and living in a tent.
In fact, you would have been living in a tent before reactor incident.
When I see evidence that you are living in a tent, I will judge you to be at least somewhat credible.
I will now demonstrate how ludicrous and inflammatory your rhetoric is.
The operand is "specific activity."
We measure specific activity in Curies. The Metric System uses Becquerels. So, then, which is more harmful to you, 1 gram of Radon-226 (that is in your basement) or 1 gram of Depleted Uranium?
The answer is 1 gram of Radon-226.
Is it possible that Depleted Uranium could ever be as harmful as Radon-226?
Yes, but you would need 3 Million grams --- 3,000 kilograms -- 7,620 pounds --- 3.81 Tons --- of Depleted Uranium to equal the harm done by one gram of Radon-226 that is in your basement, in your backyard, in your office building, in your grocery store, in your hospital, in your doctor's office, etc etc etc.
That is specific activity. Specific activity is based on the rate of decay. All radio-isotopes are unstable and they eventually decay, changing into another element. If that element is stable, like lead or boron, then there is no further (perceptible) decay. If it is another unstable radio-isotope, then it will continue to decay.
Very obviously, you have no clue what you are talking about, so why would you post something so inflammatory and sensational?
You don't even understand the numbers you're looking at. Just so everyone is clear on the concept:
1 nano Curie = 1/billionth of a Curie
1 pico Curie = 1/trillionth of a Curie
The EPA reports that a liter of milk had 30 pico Curies. Let's do some comparisons.
You as a human being give off an average of 189 nano Curies.
Which is more dangerous, a human being or 30 pico Curies?
A human being.
You are radioactive because you have Carbon 14, and then lots of radio-isotopes of Oxygen, Potassium, Phosphates and other compounds.
If a person weighing 185 pounds gives off 189 nanoCuries of radiation, then you can imagine what a fat-body pushing 300 pounds would give off -- almost 400 nanoCuries of radiation.
1 kg (2.2 pounds) of coffee gives off 27 nano Curies.
Again, which is more dangerous, 2 pounds of coffee or 30 pico Curies?
Coffee. Coffee is 300x more dangerous than the milk allegedly contaminated by the Fukishima incident.
When did you stop drinking coffee? Well, you and everyone else didn't stop drinking coffee so that means either you have no clue what you are talking about, or you are a propaganda artist trying to instill fear.
And so if you really believed the crap you are spewing, you would not be living in a home, or an apartment, or working in any building or going shopping, except in outdoor markets, because those things are more dangerous than anything the EPA or anyone else has reported thus far.
Everything in your home is radioactive and gives off radiation: the cement, the masonry (especially clay bricks), the wood, which is the floors and framing of your home and the dry-wall, the freaking wooden furniture.
So why aren't you living in a tent?
Are you an hypocrite?
Actually, you should stay away from out-door markets because bananas, potatoes, carrots and nearly all tubers are more radioactive than the, um, "contaminated milk" (snicker).
My advice is that instead of remaining ignorant and in the dark, and allowing others to prey on your fears and whip you into a frenzy, go educate yourself to the truth.
Radioactively...
Mircea
What about nuclear fallout? Should we all be in a tent?
If anything can save a person from nuclear fallout it would be all those things you mention.best place underground, or in the center of a large building with multiple floors .Lead is the best protection.. gamma rays that attack the living cells are absorbed in any living thing and do its damage and a tent would not be a safe place.. Thick lead, concrete, soil any thick object between you and the gamma rays would absorb it .. nice comfy underground bunkers in case of nuclear fallout for those kings of the earth.
Everything contains radioactivity because of the sun.. it is low levels .
^^^This^^^ is a well reasoned rational response based on logic and reason.
Yours is a typical inflammatory post based on sensationalism that says absolutely nothing.
Then why are you not living in a tent?
If you are so afraid, and it is so dangerous, you should be practicing what you preach and living in a tent.
In fact, you would have been living in a tent before reactor incident.
When I see evidence that you are living in a tent, I will judge you to be at least somewhat credible.
I will now demonstrate how ludicrous and inflammatory your rhetoric is.
The operand is "specific activity."
We measure specific activity in Curies. The Metric System uses Becquerels. So, then, which is more harmful to you, 1 gram of Radon-226 (that is in your basement) or 1 gram of Depleted Uranium?
The answer is 1 gram of Radon-226.
Is it possible that Depleted Uranium could ever be as harmful as Radon-226?
Yes, but you would need 3 Million grams --- 3,000 kilograms -- 7,620 pounds --- 3.81 Tons --- of Depleted Uranium to equal the harm done by one gram of Radon-226 that is in your basement, in your backyard, in your office building, in your grocery store, in your hospital, in your doctor's office, etc etc etc.
That is specific activity. Specific activity is based on the rate of decay. All radio-isotopes are unstable and they eventually decay, changing into another element. If that element is stable, like lead or boron, then there is no further (perceptible) decay. If it is another unstable radio-isotope, then it will continue to decay.
Very obviously, you have no clue what you are talking about, so why would you post something so inflammatory and sensational?
You don't even understand the numbers you're looking at. Just so everyone is clear on the concept:
1 nano Curie = 1/billionth of a Curie
1 pico Curie = 1/trillionth of a Curie
The EPA reports that a liter of milk had 30 pico Curies. Let's do some comparisons.
You as a human being give off an average of 189 nano Curies.
Which is more dangerous, a human being or 30 pico Curies?
A human being.
You are radioactive because you have Carbon 14, and then lots of radio-isotopes of Oxygen, Potassium, Phosphates and other compounds.
If a person weighing 185 pounds gives off 189 nanoCuries of radiation, then you can imagine what a fat-body pushing 300 pounds would give off -- almost 400 nanoCuries of radiation.
1 kg (2.2 pounds) of coffee gives off 27 nano Curies.
Again, which is more dangerous, 2 pounds of coffee or 30 pico Curies?
Coffee. Coffee is 300x more dangerous than the milk allegedly contaminated by the Fukishima incident.
When did you stop drinking coffee? Well, you and everyone else didn't stop drinking coffee so that means either you have no clue what you are talking about, or you are a propaganda artist trying to instill fear.
And so if you really believed the crap you are spewing, you would not be living in a home, or an apartment, or working in any building or going shopping, except in outdoor markets, because those things are more dangerous than anything the EPA or anyone else has reported thus far.
Everything in your home is radioactive and gives off radiation: the cement, the masonry (especially clay bricks), the wood, which is the floors and framing of your home and the dry-wall, the freaking wooden furniture.
So why aren't you living in a tent?
Are you an hypocrite?
Actually, you should stay away from out-door markets because bananas, potatoes, carrots and nearly all tubers are more radioactive than the, um, "contaminated milk" (snicker).
My advice is that instead of remaining ignorant and in the dark, and allowing others to prey on your fears and whip you into a frenzy, go educate yourself to the truth.
The government never tells us the truth.. remember how slow Obama reacted to the oil spill in the gulf? They down play everything .. we are in the dark as far as what goes on.
We the masses are at the mercies of all that is come upon us. debt, disaster, lies, financial crisis, weak banking system. weak dollar, hyperinflation, germ warfare, nuclear warfare, and does anyone even know how to protect themselves from it all.. liberals get the picture of the tin foil hat out and post as you usually do as you ignore....we are even at the mercy of gamma rays or nuclear fallout. We are all sitting ducks as the world self destructs as we argue on petty matters.
We will have world war III because common sense is about dead as we think we are in a safe place by putting our trust in those who lack the most common sense.
We have not learned many lessons and keep doing the same mistakes over and over as history as our leaders repeat the same errors.
It is a big world game driven by greed, power and lies as the masses are brainwashed thinking grave destruction can't possibly happen.
We have lost the blessing on this great country. Many feel they have no need of God now.. in time there will be too much problems and many will still curse God. It is all written. The famines, the sores on the skin, the death of sea creatures, much death and destruction,and what man will do as they have become their own god.
Is there any "government" you would trust and which would make you feel safe at all?
What about nuclear fallout? Possibility today? Should we all be in a tent?
If anything can save a person from nuclear fallout it would be all those things you mention.best place underground, or in the center of a large building with multiple floors .Lead is the best protection.. gamma rays that attack the living cells are absorbed in any living thing and do its damage and a tent would not be a safe place.. Thick lead, concrete, soil any thick object between you and the gamma rays would absorb it .. nice comfy underground bunkers in case of nuclear fallout for those kings of the earth.
Everything contains radioactivity because of the sun.. it is low levels .
Well if those that choose to panic and choose to go live in a D.U.M.B just Remember don't run your fresh drinking through a lead pipe or that will slowly kill/posion you too
Heck I was born and raised in the PNW and lived my whole life west of thr Rockies and well if the radiation from the Sun, The Hanford Site and Radiation blowen across the ocean from Fukishima end up giving me Cancer in my 60's well then not much I can do about it..
I have already recived a steady low level dose of non-backgroud Radaition anyways so either way might as well not worry about what may happen in the future (Ie A high(er) chance on me getting some type of cancer) if their is nothing I can do about it now...
I mean don't sweat the small stuff and enjoy life...we are all radioactive to some degree anyways.. so just live with it and don't worry to much about it is my advice...
We should contniue to try and perfect Nuclear fusion as that would be a great breakthrough for all of mankind and meet alot of our current and future energy needs for a very long time and a few accidents/mistakes are normal towards making this possible
Plus Hindsight is 20/20 when looking back on what we did wrong..The benifit of that is we do learn ways on how we can do things in a safe(r) manner...
Well if those that choose to panic and choose to go live in a D.U.M.B just Remember don't run your fresh drinking through a lead pipe or that will slowly kill/posion you too
Heck I was born and raised in the PNW and lived my whole life west of thr Rockies and well if the radiation from the Sun, The Hanford Site and Radiation blowen across the ocean from Fukishima end up giving me Cancer in my 60's well then not much I can do about it..
I have already recived a steady low level dose of non-backgroud Radaition anyways so either way might as well not worry about what may happen in the future (Ie A high(er) chance on me getting some type of cancer) if their is nothing I can do about it now...
I mean don't sweat the small stuff and enjoy life...we are all radioactive to some degree anyways.. so just live with it and don't worry to much about it is my advice...
We should contniue to try and perfect Nuclear fusion as that would be a great breakthrough for all of mankind and meet alot of our current and future energy needs for a very long time and a few accidents/mistakes are normal towards making this possible
Plus Hindsight is 20/20 when looking back on what we did wrong..The benifit of that is we do learn ways on how we can do things in a safe(r) manner...
What I do, is thank God for each day , it could get much much worse.
Well if those that choose to panic and choose to go live in a D.U.M.B just Remember don't run your fresh drinking through a lead pipe or that will slowly kill/posion you too
Heck I was born and raised in the PNW and lived my whole life west of thr Rockies and well if the radiation from the Sun, The Hanford Site and Radiation blowen across the ocean from Fukishima end up giving me Cancer in my 60's well then not much I can do about it..
I have already recived a steady low level dose of non-backgroud Radaition anyways so either way might as well not worry about what may happen in the future (Ie A high(er) chance on me getting some type of cancer) if their is nothing I can do about it now...
I mean don't sweat the small stuff and enjoy life...we are all radioactive to some degree anyways.. so just live with it and don't worry to much about it is my advice...
We should contniue to try and perfect Nuclear fusion as that would be a great breakthrough for all of mankind and meet alot of our current and future energy needs for a very long time and a few accidents/mistakes are normal towards making this possible
Plus Hindsight is 20/20 when looking back on what we did wrong..The benifit of that is we do learn ways on how we can do things in a safe(r) manner...
I have a little souvenir from the 1962 Cuban Missle Crisis. It is radiation dosimeter the size of a fountain pen made by Bendix that reads commulative radiation exposure. You read it like a Kalidascope. I also grew up the PNW and my father a US Army Corps of Engineers project engineer received radiological training in case things got out of hand and the USA needed people to measure radiation exposure or establish radiological control or exclusion zones. Living where we did in Oregon was one of the better places live if nuclear war happened since there were few targets and none withion 100 miles. Also Oregon is up wind too so again a good place to survive. Well my little Bendix now reads over 60 Roentgens of exposure but this is over 50 years and this is very consistent with my background radiation exposre . If I'd gotten this exposure all at once in October 1962 I'd be a very sick person and if I'd gotten several hundred Roentgens dead. Now I have had the privelege of working men who worked on the Trinity Test, were on the ships observing Ivy Mike (1st Thermonuclear Test in 1952) and Castle Bravo (1956). One scientist helped set up the Marshall Islanders Project because Castle Bravo get a little bit out of hand and fallout got to the Island that these people had been relocated. Now with all I know I don't reject nuclear power but insist that the people calling the shots are properly educated and treat their resposibilites with the utmost seriousness. Any thing less is asking for disaster. Nuclear Fusion is no panacea becasue the materials used in a Fusion reactor get bombarded with neutrons which create radioactive materials by neutron irradiation. Some of these radioactive isotopes are long lived and biologically active so if they get loose are very dangerous.
Some estimates of the radiological waste from a Fusion power plant reach the scale of a Fission power plant of comparable electric output. Now a Fusion plant has one big edge over Fission one, you can turn it off quickly and it would blow up or melt like they did at Three Mile Island, Chernobyl or Fukashima.
Remember , Nothing is Fool Proof, there is always a Fool bigger than the Proof! A favorite expression of scientist who worked on the explosives used to trigger Trinity and Fat Man.
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