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Not really, but if it gets shot down, Obama did put any plans of a national healthcare on hold for 20+ years.
A national healthcare plan could be constitutional because the federal government would pay the bills, and not require the citizens to pay individually. No different than another welfare plan.
Yeah,
But the damn thing about that is that we just can't trust our Federal Government to process anything having to do with money properly.
Whatever they estimate the cost to be - you can expect it to double or triple.
But the plan will be passed based on their original figure.
Then look out. A decade or two out we're screwed.
How can we justify borrowing from China for our own Healthcare?
But the damn thing about that is that we just can't trust our Federal Government to process anything having to do with money properly.
Whatever they estimate the cost to be - you can expect it to double or triple.
But the plan will be passed based on their original figure.
Then look out. A decade or two out we're screwed.
How can we justify borrowing from China for our own Healthcare?
Interesting that other countries do quite well, in fact-even better, with a National Healthcare system. We are paying health insurance company CEOs billions to distribute our healthcare as they see fit. Why pay a middle man a huge profit that only increases our costs?
Interesting that other countries do quite well, in fact-even better, with a National Healthcare system. We are paying health insurance company CEOs billions to distribute our healthcare as they see fit. Why pay a middle man a huge profit that only increases our costs?
We're not other countries.
Have you seen what our national debt is? Seen the deficits lately?
Insurance companies have a right to exist. (even for profit)
And insurance is sold as a buffer to soften the financial blow - for a health issue that may arise in the future. That's how it works and why it works.
This is nothing new. Also, these high risk pools have extremely expensive policies because everyone in these pools, are high risk. However, you are right. It is a start. Now we need to put healthy people in these pools to bring the cost down .............. National Healthcare!
The highlighted part of your post is the part that scares a lot of conservatives away; I don't see it as that simple, but if we are agreed as to the need for a stronger "safety net", I believe that local oversight is a better enhancement.
To hear the most extreme posters on boh sides tell it, the present system keeps staunch Republican grandparents alive to vote GOP at the age of 96, while potenetial Democratic loyalists miss critical tests or bleed to death in emergency rooms ... or you can turn the argument around the other way if you're of the opposite viewpoint.
But the fact remains .... medical care is already rationed de facto via the HMO system; how often you get a mammogram, a PSA or a colonoscopy is determined by your age and modified according to your personal and family health history. Beyond that, a personal pysician who knows you as an infividual is more adept at fine-tuning things than an insulated bureaucrat,
Finally, I believe that a larger component of the generation now entering retirement, and of those to follow, is able to discern the difference between common-sense heath care and unrealistic expectations of health preservation beyond our time. We as individuals have to determine, for ourselves, the point at whch a little bit more not-so-good time is not worth the effort.
But that is, literally, the last decision which I would want turned over to some anonymous functionary.
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The highlighted part of your post is the part that scares a lot of conservatives away; I dot't see it as that simple, but if we are agreed as to the need for a stronger "safety net", I believe that local oversight is a better enhancement.
Insurance companies don't want the elderly. This led to Medicare. Insurance companies don't want the ill. They cherry pick, mostly through employment plans, those who are healthy enough to work. Insurance companies have the youngest and healthiest in their risk pool for huge profits while throwing the elderly and sick to the government to take care of. If one becomes seriously ill, they cannot work. Therefore, after their expensive 18 month COBRA policy runs out, they are out of insurance. They must then claim disability in order to collect Medicare. Insurance companies have it made and we healthy working people are all paying double as a result- our own insurance premium and tax to cover the elderly and sick.
Of course the public supports Obamacare!!! That is why it is politically wise for the Republicans to jump on board before an election.
I haven't heard Obama mention Obamacare. In fact, I haven't heard a Democrat mention it unless asked a question about it. Even then, all I've heard is promises we know are false. Given that it is the centerpiece accomplishment of this administration, I'm surprised. Aren't you?
I guarantee you that these popular provisions will not work without the mandate. The insurance companies will give the GOP their marching orders soon. The GOP will back pedal on supporting "1 part" of it. Perhaps the GOP should educated themselves as to why an individual mandate is necessary in order to cover preexisting conditions.
Good point jojajn....and liberals should read the Constitution to learn why the federal government cannot impose an individual mandate without amending the Constitution to give Congress authority to do so.
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