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Old 05-31-2012, 05:22 AM
 
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What utter nonsense. Your revisionist Bible distortions are incredible. The corrupt NIV intentionaly diminishes the divinity of Christ, and the propagator of the "temple prostitite " interpretation of "sodomite" was himself a homosexual. Homosexuality is a sin and an abomination unto God!

You're hilarious. And very misinformed.

The Hebrew word 'qadesh' meant "male cult prostitute". There is no such word as 'sodomite' in the original Hebrew or the Greek of the Septuagint.

The KJV interpreters are the ones who used the word 'sodomite' for the Hebrew 'qadesh'.

Go look it up. Or not. I don't particularly care what uninformed bigots think.

Blue Letter Bible - Lexicon


I bet you think the KJV is the best translation of the Bible in English.
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Old 05-31-2012, 05:24 AM
 
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I bet you think the KJV is the best translation of the Bible in English.
And I'll guess you think the "Homosexual Bible" is.
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Old 05-31-2012, 05:40 AM
 
Location: "Chicago"
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Like I said in another thread, its scary and sad how so many people hide behind the banner of the church to justify their intolerance of everyone who is different from them.
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Old 05-31-2012, 05:55 AM
 
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Romans 1:26-27, even in your corrupted NIV, just for starters.
Nothing to do with homosexuals.

Try reading the whole chapter not just two verses you found on a gay bashing religious website.

Try looking at who Paul was writing to, and what the local pagan religious customs were in Corinth (where he was writing from) at that time.

Here's a clue, Paul wasn't sitting in a McDonalds eating a big mac in the Castro in the 21st century.

Just before those 2 verses, Paul wrote of people who had gone back to worshipping pagan gods and idols in the image of humans, birds, animals and snakes etc.
Rom 1:21Because that, when they knew God, they glorified [him] not as God, neither were thankful; but became vain in their imaginations, and their foolish heart was darkened.
Rom 1:22Professing themselves to be wise, they became fools,
Rom 1:23And changed the glory of the uncorruptible God into an image made like to corruptible man, and to birds, and fourfooted beasts, and creeping things

There were pagan temples with temple prostitutes galore in first century Corinth and Rome.

Guess what the pagan fertility gods were represented as?
Guess what some of the worshipping practices of fertililty gods and godesses involved? Orgiastic ritual sex.

Guess what Paul would have been seeing around him every day as he wrote that letter?

PS: I don't read the NIV or any particular translation. I look at and compare a range of translations online.
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Old 05-31-2012, 06:17 AM
 
Location: Houston, Tx
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Lol, what did this clown preacher think was going to happen? You go against the word of god and you're going to get exposed.
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Old 05-31-2012, 07:16 AM
 
Location: Metro-Detroit area
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So many tepid Christians today are eager to dismiss the Gospel for public approval. Christians are to love all sinners and condemn the sin. I can love a person with all my heart and despise their sin.

In other words if my son or daughter were hooked on drugs and stealing from me, I would not hate them; I would hate their addiction.

Christianity was never meant to change according to societal norms and it should not. Some actions are sinful in the eyes of God and he is unchanging.

This Pastor decided to disregard the word of God and his congregation used wisdom and discernment and made the correct decision.
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Old 05-31-2012, 07:37 AM
 
Location: Dallas, TX
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The wages of sin are death. Jesus said "Go and sin no more".
And how did Jesus define sin, and sinners?
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Old 05-31-2012, 07:44 AM
 
Location: Texas
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So many tepid Christians today are eager to dismiss the Gospel for public approval. Christians are to love all sinners and condemn the sin. I can love a person with all my heart and despise their sin.

In other words if my son or daughter were hooked on drugs and stealing from me, I would not hate them; I would hate their addiction.

Christianity was never meant to change according to societal norms and it should not. Some actions are sinful in the eyes of God and he is unchanging.

This Pastor decided to disregard the word of God and his congregation used wisdom and discernment and made the correct decision.
But, wait....there's more to the story.

Same-sex marriage, like homosexuality itself, is a sin. But, did not Jesus himself tell us to render unto Caesar that which is Caesar's? In other words, didn't He tell us to submit to the law of the land, to be good citizens, to obey the law? Did He not tell us that to do otherwise is sin?

Yes, He did. So, what does "render unto Caesar" mean in a nation which is self-governing and based upon the rule of law, as codified by the Constitution? Does it not mean that we must hold allegiance to that Constitution in order to be good, faithful followers of Christ?

Yes, it does. And, nobody has yet been able to demonstrate how denying gay couples the right to a legal marriage is found in that Constitution. The Declaration of Independence proclaims that we have the unalienable right to "life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness," and the Constitution was written to prevent our government from denying us those rights. It does not GRANT us our liberties, but protects the liberties we already have from our Creator.

Consequently, if a gay couple defines for themselves marriage as a part of their "pursuit of happiness," how can we deny them that pursuit under the rule of law, under the Constitution, under the foundational principles of this country as explained in the Declaration of Independence?

We can't. If we are to be true to the principles of self-government, we cannot deny them a right heterosexual couples enjoy just because we don't like what they do. That would be contrary to both the Constitution and the teachings of Christ about submission to the government.

Granted, The People have the right to curtail someone's pursuit of happiness if that endangers others or good public order. We've done that by outlawing someone's "pursuit of happiness" which involves murdering his neighbor and that's acceptable. However, nobody has yet made a compelling case to show how same-sex marriage threatens either our citizens safety or good public order. If there is such evidence, I'd like to see it. Not opinion, but evidence.

The point is that we must always remember that there are TWO issues involved here. One is moral and the other is legal. One is a matter of right and wrong and the other is a matter of rendering unto Caesar that which is Caesar's. So long as we do not live in a Theocracy, we must yield to the Constitution and allow them the right to marry, even as we pray for their souls, abhor their sin and reach out to them with the Gospel of Jesus Christ as an act of love.
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Old 05-31-2012, 07:47 AM
 
Location: Maryland
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Again - you are cherry-picking OT verses and ignoring the NT. People who have not read the Bible - or willfully misunderstand it cannot speak about it authoritatively. You are a prime example. Open your eyes - and read the entire Counsel of God - as a body of work.
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Old 05-31-2012, 07:48 AM
 
Location: Maryland
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You're the one cherry-picking homosexuality as a sin. As mentioned on another current thread, the Jewish law (which only mentioned male homosexuality, not female) also forbids the eating of shellfish and the breaking of the Sabbath (Saturday) by doing ANY work whatsoever, with the offender being put to death. I'm surprised you think that hasn't changed. Leviticus and Deuteronomy are chock-full of laws that Orthodox Jews still obey but Christians don't (don't wear clothes woven of more than one fabric such as cotton and rayon blends, avoid certain kinds of mold and cleanse the house with a live bird's blood, don't eat pork, it's ok to sell your daughter into slavery, women are unclean and not to be touched after giving birth and when menstruating, you have to drain the blood from any animal before eating it, etc, on and on ..... )
There's a difference between ignoring a prohibition, although orthodox Jews still follow this edict, and elevating a sin to equal status of marriage, a sacred sacrament in the Catholic and Christian tradition.
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