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Old 06-02-2012, 12:25 AM
 
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I don't care if the Treaties of Toothpaste and Toilet paper don't.

ANY OFFICIAL Treaties doing so remains a huge deal.
I see, so the Treaty of Tripoli, signed after the creation of the Constitution (not before, like the Treaty of France), ratified by congress, and signed into law which explicitly states that The United States is in no way founded on the Christian Religion, supported by the fact that many of our founding fathers were not typical Christians, rejected religious institutions, and perhaps most important of all, is that our government and its founding document deliberately go to lengths to avoid unnecessary entanglement between the religious institutions of these states, and itself.

In fact, the government is so clearly secular, that atrocities like "in god we trust" be emblazoned on our coins and currency was only possible after tremendous wars, when people are at their most vulnerable. In fact, the fascist Christian wing has taken over (although briefly) only after great tragedies such as World War II (with McCarthyism), during Reconstruction after the Civil War, and now, after September 11th.

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It proves those that desperately LIE again and again, saying our nation was not founded on christian principles AND the bible.....
When it so clearly was not.

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are totally wrong and ignorant, or....terrible, evil liars trying to rewrite history.
The only revisionist here is you.

Treaty of Tripoli - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
Treaty of Paris (1783) - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
History of the United States Constitution - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
The U.S. NOT founded upon Christianity
Our Founding Fathers Were NOT Christians

You're too stuffed up in your own self-righteous christian lunacy to understand the most simple of concepts that secularism protects your insane belief system.
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Old 06-02-2012, 12:28 AM
 
Location: Edmonds, WA
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I clearly stated my point AND made it, quite well I should add.
So let me try to re-state it then: you are saying that the Founders intended the United States to be a Christian nation.

What I am asking you is: even if that's true, why is that significant?
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Old 06-02-2012, 01:48 AM
 
Location: Los Angeles County, CA
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I don't think Godwin's law applies when the actual thread concerns which rights can be taken away from someone based on their religious beliefs or lack thereof. This is more a case of the OP and other posters hoping to recreate their own "Nuremberg style" laws in the current day United States.
"Nuremberg style" laws?

Where is anyone following orders in the circumstance that you are addressing?
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Old 06-02-2012, 01:50 AM
 
Location: Los Angeles County, CA
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Equality of opportunity. It's a test of religion when it excludes anyone that isn't a monotheist.
Shoot - I am rather a strong proponent of certain Tlingit religious beliefs which combine Orthodox Christianity with animism.

Where does any of these state requirements require someone to believe in monotheism - and where have I ever said that they should do so?
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Old 06-02-2012, 06:08 AM
 
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Shoot - I am rather a strong proponent of certain Tlingit religious beliefs which combine Orthodox Christianity with animism.

Where does any of these state requirements require someone to believe in monotheism - and where have I ever said that they should do so?
You stated belief in a "supreme being" was required to hold office--that is singular noun.
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Old 06-02-2012, 06:35 AM
 
Location: Vermont
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There is no comparison between ice cream and God - except that both could be described as "heavenly".
You're right: ice cream exists.
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Old 06-02-2012, 06:54 AM
 
Location: Vermont
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And the requirement that I have seen do not amount to religious tests -as I have explained many times in this thread
No, you have asserted it without any basis or logic for your mindless assertions.
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Old 06-02-2012, 07:15 AM
 
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No - and there is no such thing as a Christian God - Christians worship the one and only God.
Love it! In one line, the complete and total arrogance of a Christian. In ONE line...
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Old 06-02-2012, 07:30 AM
 
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Love it! In one line, the complete and total arrogance of a Christian. In ONE line...
And, in one line, you matched that arrogance. Congrats!
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Old 06-02-2012, 07:43 AM
 
Location: The land where cats rule
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True. But it's useful to have a peek at the Christian heritage we've been furiously trying to erase.
I don't suppose that you realize that it is the "Christian heritage" that placed these restrictive laws on the books, do you?

Some groups just cannot stand anyone having thoughts different than their own.
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