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I know it's considered "extreme" to say this, but our recent little experiment in godless government isn't working out too well. (Funny how so much of mainstream western civilization is now viewed as "extreme".)
Government either places itself under God or it becomes an arbitrary despotism subject only to power and money. Welcome to America 2012.
Requiring office holders to publicly profess not only belief in God, but also the faith of the Nicene Creed, would do this country good.
In other words you want a Theocracy in place. Not a chance.
Ask this in the religion forum - it is off topic - and read the Bible - why you expect me to do your work for you is a mystery. You would have loved it when their was no printing press and the catholic church controlled what the people heard concerning the Scriptures.
What a joke. You can't even explain the most mild of biblical inconsistencies can you?
What a joke. You can't even explain the most mild of biblical inconsistencies can you?
There is no inconsistency.
I have a life outside of this forum - which happens to be POLITICS not religion - and you have two eyes, two legs, and a brain. Why should I explain this to you when you cna read it yourself - especially when I expect that I would be wasting my time if I did(I'm a little skeptical about your intentions to really learn anything)? I refuse to go through a rehash of a topic which Jesus and Paul covered extensively - and which you can read if you bothered to do so. If you won't read the Bible - you can go to the religion forum or ask a pastor.
I have a life outside of this forum - which happens to be POLITICS not religion - and you have two eyes, two legs, and a brain. Why should I explain this to you when you cna read it yourself - especially when I expect that I would be wasting my time if I did(I'm a little skeptical about your intentions to really learn anything)? I refuse to go through a rehash of a topic which Jesus and Paul covered extensively - and which you can read if you bothered to do so. If you won't read the Bible - you can go to the religion forum or ask a pastor.
In other words, you can't explain it. It is OK to just admit it.
"Religious test" was not understood by the founding fathers as pertaining to belief in God, which almost everyone had, but as pertaining to adherence to organized churches or religious bodies. The backdrop of Article VI, Par 3 is that the government could not require office holders to belong to a specific church or a specific Christian creed.
Having said that, it's still a flaw in the Constitution. Yes, I said "flaw". Sorry, the Constitution is a human document, not holy writ. You can't have a government without a religious creed. We don't have one today: our creed is Secularism, and it's destroying the country.
What a load of tripe. No religious creed whatsoever is necessary to government , and there's a little thing called ***religious freedom*** , do you somehow translate that as " freedom to inflict your religion on others"?
Is that how your interpret the " Great commision "? Or is this just another divisive paradigm espoused by yet another Fundy so ya can cry about how persecuted you are and tell us all we're gonna burn in Hell.
And " destroying our country "......pppuuulllllleeeeeeeaaaasssseee , ya mean like how " moral an ethical" preachers have eroded and virtually destroyed Christianity for personal and denominational gain? Want examples , be sure you do 'cause it could take a week or three to post 'em all.
And NOW *you* want religion under the mandate of the State , one of the things our forefathers came here to avoid.
How richly ironic that little demonstration of hypocrisy is , and how utterly opposed to the basic precepts contained within the text know as the Bible.
"When the churches literally ruled society, the human drama encompassed: (a) slavery; (b) the cruel subjection of women;(c)the most savage forms of legal punishment; (d) the absurd belief that kings ruled by divine right; (e) the daily imposition of physical abuse; (f) cold heartlessness for the sufferings of the poor; as well as (g) assorted pogroms ('ethnic cleansing' wars) between rival religions, capital punishment for literally hundreds of offenses, and countless other daily imposed moral outrages. . . . It was the free-thinking, challenging work by people of conscience, who almost invariably had to defy the religious and political status quo of their times, that brought us out of such darkness."
Steve Allen
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