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Old 06-07-2012, 06:43 PM
 
Location: Silver Springs, FL
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Correct. It is actually far more harmful than I thought. I provided references to dozens of medical studies and the results are downright scary. 10% of all mental psychosis cases in US are triggered by marijuana.
Except you posted no studies.
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Old 06-07-2012, 07:00 PM
 
Location: Baltimore
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I tend to agree with you, in the context that it doesn't lend itself to the type of addiction present in opiates, cocaine, meth, and alcohol, nor does it cause severe physical problems like alcoholic cirrhosis.

That said, marijuana can cause users to be forgetful. Very forgetful.

As in can't-finish-a-complete-sentence-because-I-forgot-wth-I-was-talking-about forgetful.

As in repeatedly forgetting the amount of ground cloves in the seconds it took to read the recipe on the counter and then moving over to the mixer 2 ft away. (Luckily, it turned out to be the best pumpkin pie, ever, but I think I wound up putting twice the normal amount in.)

As in "I've so been there." (and precisely why I gave it up so many decades ago)

I'm not the least bit surprised this kid did what she did while under the influence. It's the nature of the drug.
True. Marijuana definetely impacts my short term memory. However, when I do smoke, I make sure I have absolutely nothing else to do. Nothing that requires driving or mental exercise; pretty much nothing that requires me having to leave wherever I'm at or do anything important. I've driven high in the past, and it wasn't smart. I wasn't impaired to the point where I couldn't function, but I literally got lost a couple times in otherwise familiar territory and forgot my destination a couple of times along the way. Granted, I was much younger too. I certainly wouldn't do it today.

That said, I don't think this incident serves as any sort of platform to support banning MJ. This girl obviously wasn't responsible. Like others have said, this is much more of a user issue and not a substance issue.
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Old 06-07-2012, 08:04 PM
 
Location: Florida
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True. Marijuana definetely impacts my short term memory. However, when I do smoke, I make sure I have absolutely nothing else to do. Nothing that requires driving or mental exercise; pretty much nothing that requires me having to leave wherever I'm at or do anything important. I've driven high in the past, and it wasn't smart. I wasn't impaired to the point where I couldn't function, but I literally got lost a couple times in otherwise familiar territory and forgot my destination a couple of times along the way. Granted, I was much younger too. I certainly wouldn't do it today.

That said, I don't think this incident serves as any sort of platform to support banning MJ. This girl obviously wasn't responsible. Like others have said, this is much more of a user issue and not a substance issue.
Indeed. Fuzzy memory is one of the more typical effects of being high on pot. I pointed out the memory issues earlier, but the pro-drug crowd insist there is no such effect. They demanded proof, which was provided, but they still won't admit that such side effect exists.
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Old 06-07-2012, 08:40 PM
 
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The point is that pot is not harmless, as some pot advocates claim.
Similar to how air, water, music, etc. are not truly harmless I suppose..
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Old 06-07-2012, 08:43 PM
 
Location: Dublin, CA
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I wonder how many of you who live in apartment complexes, condo's, or even houses which are close to one another, would be happy with your neighbors smoking marijuana? Yes. You maybe for the legalization of it, however, for me and MILLIONS of other people, marijuana smoke stinks worse then cigarette smoke (although, not much more). How many would really want that nasty smell, wafting throughout their homes? Legalize it, and there is NOTHING which can be done. Then what?
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Old 06-07-2012, 08:47 PM
 
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I wonder how many of you who live in apartment complexes, condo's, or even houses which are close to one another, would be happy with your neighbors smoking marijuana? Yes. You maybe for the legalization of it, however, for me and MILLIONS of other people, marijuana smoke stinks worse then cigarette smoke (although, not much more). How many would really want that nasty smell, wafting throughout their homes? Legalize it, and there is NOTHING which can be done. Then what?
How is it worse than cooking odors?
If one is so put off by their neighbors habits, obviously communal living isn't for them.
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Old 06-07-2012, 08:49 PM
 
Location: Hinckley Ohio
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I wonder how many of you who live in apartment complexes, condo's, or even houses which are close to one another, would be happy with your neighbors smoking marijuana? Yes. You maybe for the legalization of it, however, for me and MILLIONS of other people, marijuana smoke stinks worse then cigarette smoke (although, not much more). How many would really want that nasty smell, wafting throughout their homes? Legalize it, and there is NOTHING which can be done. Then what?
Dude, I think you're high. It is called a contact high I think. If you don't like it move.
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Old 06-07-2012, 08:50 PM
 
Location: planet octupulous is nearing earths atmosphere
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I wonder how many of you who live in apartment complexes, condo's, or even houses which are close to one another, would be happy with your neighbors smoking marijuana? Yes. You maybe for the legalization of it, however, for me and MILLIONS of other people, marijuana smoke stinks worse then cigarette smoke (although, not much more). How many would really want that nasty smell, wafting throughout their homes? Legalize it, and there is NOTHING which can be done. Then what?


weed smells good to me, it's one of the best smells in nature... thats a matter of opinion


do you like the smell of stinky tofu,?? thought not!!! but millions of chinese love it
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Old 06-07-2012, 09:01 PM
 
Location: central Oregon
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You should just trust the FDA. They know what is best for you.

Deaths from Marijuana v. 17 FDA-Approved Drugs
(Jan. 1, 1997 to June 30, 2005)

Deaths from Marijuana v. 17 FDA-Approved Drugs - Medical Marijuana - ProCon.org
Gee, I have a greater chance of dieing from the half tablet of Baclofen I take every day than I do from smoking a bowl or two.

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Yes you have met many, you just have no idea because they are functional.
It's always funny when one finds out just who actually smokes it. It's usually those least expected.

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The acceptance of "articles" as fact without actually examining sources or "other interests" involved in the authoring of those articles simply shows a lack of critical thinking. You obviously accept anything that fits with your "world view" simply reaffirming your (somewhat questionable) beliefs on the subject.

Once again, I would ask.... where are the bodies? Why aren't the mental hospitals filling up with with schizophrenic pot smokers? The answer is because it's not the big issue you seem to think it is. Considering that there are 30M pot smokers in the US alone, I would think that would be identified.

The fact that you question nothing you read shows an obvious lack of intellectual curiosity.
This question is easy: because they don't let the schizo's smoke pot. One enters the mental hospital as a "schizophrenic pot smoker", but soon (like, within hours man!) that high wears off and that schizophrenic pot smoker is now just a plain old schizo.
I guess we should keep them in the mental wards until their blood tests come back clear of that awful weed.

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Indeed. Fuzzy memory is one of the more typical effects of being high on pot. I pointed out the memory issues earlier, but the pro-drug crowd insist there is no such effect. They demanded proof, which was provided, but they still won't admit that such side effect exists.
Ah man, I have to admit to this fuzzy memory stuff. I am so bad that I have to have a kitchen timer just so I don't burn the cookies.
I really did get tired of singing "I got stoned and I missed it" whenever I burnt the dang things. NOW? I never, ever, ever burn cookies.
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Old 06-07-2012, 09:10 PM
 
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An association between marijuana use and mental illness, particularly psychosis, has long been recognized. Recently, with a better understanding of brain function and pharmacology, researchers have renewed their interest in this subject. Although present statistics suggest that marijuana accounts for 10 percent of all cases of psychosis, epidemiological evidence suggests that the number could be higher. Patients with psychosis are at higher risk for cardiovascular and metabolic diseases compared to the general population.

Does Marijuana Cause Mental Illness?

Pot accounts for 10% of all cases of psyhcosis Good grief, it is even worse than I thought.
Cannabis use has increased dramatically over the past few decades but declined in the last decade, whereas the rate of psychosis has not increased. This suggests cannabis generally only hastens the onset of psychosis in those who would otherwise only become psychotic at a later date.

"Correlation does not imply causation"
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