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Old 06-07-2012, 02:35 PM
 
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The reaction to hard facts and studies expose the deep state of denial of the pro-narcotic crowd. It also exposes the weakness of their own argument which is supported by nothing except loud "you are wrong" screams.
The acceptance of "articles" as fact without actually examining sources or "other interests" involved in the authoring of those articles simply shows a lack of critical thinking. You obviously accept anything that fits with your "world view" simply reaffirming your (somewhat questionable) beliefs on the subject.

Once again, I would ask.... where are the bodies? Why aren't the mental hospitals filling up with with schizophrenic pot smokers? The answer is because it's not the big issue you seem to think it is. Considering that there are 30M pot smokers in the US alone, I would think that would be identified.

The fact that you question nothing you read shows an obvious lack of intellectual curiosity.
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Old 06-07-2012, 02:43 PM
 
Location: Cushing OK
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I still don't get it. Why alter the mind?? They will pay one way or another down the line... eroding the brain cells, anxiety, depression, phobias which will keep them taking the drugs.. kind of massive stupidity.
People lived hard lives for a long long time too. Alchol along with hard work built the west. Many cultures have used drugs to make the daily drugery of life tolerable. Many still do. And what is that vicodan someone who has cronic pain take but a drug to make life managable. Just different sources.

While we don't labor now like back then, its still a pretty depressing society. And we'ver ramped up stress far beyond what it had been before. Our society tells us it should be easy, but it still isn't. Some just slip into a way to manage. Some slip further.

We *all* have something which acts as a drug of choice, psychologically.

And nobody ever worries about what the pills or botanicals will do to you. Until it does. Doctors encourage this by not having patients look up their perscriptions and reading the FDA papers before they give them out. And acting like you broke some rule of doctorhood if you question a med or won't take it. If we're not supposed to decide for ourselves if a pharma med is something we want to try, considering ALL the material, and side effects are generally dismissed as 'something you get used to', why should we? They're all just magic pills.
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Old 06-07-2012, 04:51 PM
 
Location: planet octupulous is nearing earths atmosphere
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It was a matter of time, I guess. I really was kind of hoping that somebody wouldn't have ratted him out. He was quite entertaining.

ya!!!!! wish i could roll this thread and smoke it


some people need to lighten up!!! oops>> or is it some members need to lite it up once n awhile


aww now the threads going to die out
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Old 06-07-2012, 05:12 PM
 
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Could have easily done the same thing when drinking.
So what is your point ? There are people who will abuse stuff whether it's legal or not.
The point is that pot is not harmless, as some pot advocates claim.
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Old 06-07-2012, 05:13 PM
 
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So Momonkey believes we need to live under a stronger and more strict nanny state. And probably thinks not we have been doing a miserably poor job in trying to imprison our way out of our country's drug problems and need to get on the ball and step it up.

Those are assumptions on your part. All the OP said was that pot wasn't harmless, as some pot advocates repeat ad nauseum.
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Old 06-07-2012, 05:16 PM
 
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The use of spirits and intoxicants goes back thousands of years.
So, what's your point. Just because people have been doing dumb things for thousands of years doesn't mean it's not dumb.
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Old 06-07-2012, 05:25 PM
 
Location: California
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The point is that pot is not harmless, as some pot advocates claim.
It's pretty harmless. But more to the point it's not HARMFULL enough to justify being illegal and all the drama surrounding it.

It won't stop anyone from doing stupid things though. We all do stupid things.
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Old 06-07-2012, 06:03 PM
 
Location: Hinckley Ohio
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ya!!!!! wish i could roll this thread and smoke it


some people need to lighten up!!! oops>> or is it some members need to lite it up once n awhile


aww now the threads going to die out
Nope, there are plenty of ppl that bought that "Reefer Madness" propaganda, the anti weed nut jobs will never die off fast enuf for me.
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Old 06-07-2012, 06:20 PM
 
Location: Florida
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The point is that pot is not harmless, as some pot advocates claim.
Correct. It is actually far more harmful than I thought. I provided references to dozens of medical studies and the results are downright scary. 10% of all mental psychosis cases in US are triggered by marijuana.
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Old 06-07-2012, 06:24 PM
 
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The question is not whether pot is "harmless." It is whether or not we believe that the state should be able to use its big-government police and incarceration powers against individuals to control its usage.

I don't think it's even a close debate - of course not. Of course the state and its police agencies should not be given that kind of power over its citizens. That's too extreme an intrusion into liberty, and it threatens to erode the 4th amendment.
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