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Old 06-15-2012, 10:35 AM
 
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Where is the rest of the data?
Specify, which data set?
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Old 06-15-2012, 10:42 AM
 
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You made the broad statement. I suppose you have facts from every district in the country to back it up? To include the salaries for every other paid job in those districts and the cost of living and the benefit packages for each.

If you are going to make definitive statements, you have to back them up.
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Specify, which data set?
Don't you read posting all the way through before responding?
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Old 06-15-2012, 11:02 AM
 
Location: Old Bellevue, WA
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“Should any political party attempt to abolish social security unemployment insurance and eliminate labor laws and farm programs you would not hear of that party again in our political history. There is a tiny splinter group of course that believes you can do these things. Among them are a few other Texas oil millionaires and an occasional politician or business man from other areas. Their number is negligible and they are stupid.”
― Dwight D. Eisenhower

This quote is useless without further context. Ike was not making a point about the merits of these laws and programs but simply about the political reality, and the the direction of the GOP. Like any politician Ike had to win votes, and he chose to do that by running as the moderate alternative to Taft, who at the time was the conservatives' champ. But Ike himself later admitted "Taft was really more liberal than me in domestic matters."

Remember the debate over spending growth numbers a few days ago, when the Obama admin claimed that they had increased spending by less than any prez since Ike. The numbers were found to be wildly cooked by the Washington Post and others, but even with cooked numbers the Obamaites couldn't make Ike look like a spender.
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Old 06-15-2012, 11:03 AM
 
Location: Old Bellevue, WA
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The quotes about the military-industrial need context, too. Ike was not anti-military spending, after all this was the guy who conceived the interstate highways as a military tool. Ike had been in an exercise once where he had to move a convoy across the US and found it to be a nightmare. Then during WWII he saw how efficiently troops were able to move in Germany due to their superior highway system.

Ike was neither anti-mil spending nor anti social spending but was anti-leviathan gov't. His biggest fear was runaway military spending AND a runaway welfare state, which arguably has now come to pass, just as he feared.
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Old 06-15-2012, 11:04 AM
 
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Don't you read posting all the way through before responding?
Use common sense. Sorry your out to justify teachers low salaries....
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Old 06-15-2012, 11:07 AM
 
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The quotes about the military-industrial need context, too. Ike was not anti-military spending, after all this was the guy who conceived the interstate highways as a military tool. Ike had been in an exercise once where he had to move a convoy across the US and found it to be a nightmare. Then during WWII he saw how efficiently troops were able to move in Germany due to their superior highway system.

Ike was neither anti-mil spending nor anti social spending but was anti-leviathan gov't. His biggest fear was runaway military spending AND a runaway welfare state, which arguably has now come to pass, just as he feared.

The ideology of these quotes are important, the values presented, even though in history it seems impossible. It's an achievable goal, unless you live life as a pessimist.

Impossible is subjective.
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Old 06-15-2012, 11:09 AM
 
Location: SWUS
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Eisenhower was a great man, but it seems he was a hopeless idealist... nobody should be entitled to anything but the basic rights afforded to them by the Constitution. If you want it, earn it.
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Old 06-15-2012, 11:12 AM
 
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Use common sense. Sorry your out to justify teachers low salaries....
Funny, you claim common sense after you post a lie then don't come back and back up your bogus claims.

I guess according to you posting things that are not true and forming an opinion on those false statements is common sense to you.

I am still waitng for the data to back up your claims.

Other stating teacher do NOT make next to nothing, I have made no other claims. I just asked YOU to back up your claims.

You must be a product of public education

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Old 06-15-2012, 11:15 AM
 
Location: Long Island
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Here you go...

Teacher Salaries By State | Average Salaries For Teachers | Beginning Salaries For Teachers | Teacher Raises | TeacherPortal.com

I live in Texas. You try living on 33,000 dollars a year gross. People have to pay mortgages and such and we want them to deliver world class education to our young. Values need to be adjusted.
uhm

a little DECEPTION going on there

texas teacher STARTING salary.....33k

texas average techer salary....41k

texas average income (all proffessions).....39k
State-by-state: Average income per person - USATODAY.com


so texas teacher get paid more than the average texas worker.....is that fair????
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Old 06-15-2012, 11:18 AM
 
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Eisenhower was a great man, but it seems he was a hopeless idealist... nobody should be entitled to anything but the basic rights afforded to them by the Constitution. If you want it, earn it.

Values need to be readjusted. What good is a prospering business if the employees are not earning a fair wage.

People always argue about abuses, but abuses are a symptom, the cure is disclosure.

Animals know what is fair or not..... so should humanity.

As for earning a fair wage, their are all types of personalities in the workforce and no one ever argues that the hard workers, innovators or enablers deserve less pay. Only that the average worker with a scope of work be compensated so that he is afforded a living.

There are many cases where the workers are not afforded a decent living while the owners hoard millions if not billions and die extremely rich. Is that a value for our society?

It is our value system that needs to change. It's not socialism, it's accountability and responsibility.
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