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For three years now, Obama has been telling us that his health care mandate is not a tax. Obama's lawyers went to argue ObamaCare "was not a tax" before the SCOTUS, and now we are all supposed to celebrate because Obama says it is a tax?
For three years now, Obama has been telling us that his health care mandate is not a tax. Obama's lawyers went to argue ObamaCare "was not a tax" before the SCOTUS, and now we are all supposed to celebrate because Obama says it is a tax?
The Supreme Court has ruled that Congress can now tax you for something you didn't buy.
I'll let Benjamin Franklin, Founding Father, American diplomat, statesman, and scientist address this:
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Letter to Robert Morris, December 25, 1783:
"All the property that is necessary to a Man, for the Conservation of the Individual and the Propagation of the Species, is his natural Right, which none can justly deprive him of: But all Property superfluous to such purposes is the Property of the Publick, who, by their Laws, have created it, and who may therefore by other laws dispose of it, whenever the Welfare of the Publick shall demand such Disposition.He that does not like civil Society on these Terms, let him retire and live among Savages. He can have no right to the benefits of Society, who will not pay his Club towards the Support of it."
For three years now, Obama has been telling us that his health care mandate is not a tax. Obama's lawyers went to argue ObamaCare "was not a tax" before the SCOTUS, and now we are all supposed to celebrate because Obama says it is a tax?
So? Obama didn't consider it a tax. Justice Roberts disagreed and his opinion matters more. The fact that Obama's signature legislation benefited does not make Obama's opinion a lie -- no matter how much you want it to.
But the end result is President Obama will not lose one vote he otherwise would have had because you think he's a liar.
Err, Verrilli argued before the SC that if the penalty could not be justified via Interstate Commerce, it could be via Congress's Tax authority. But hey, don't let the facts get in your way.
Err, Verrilli argued before the SC that if the penalty could not be justified via Interstate Commerce, it could be via Congress's Tax authority. But hey, don't let the facts get in your way.
Well thanks for supporting the notion Obama is a liar. He repeatedly claimed the mandate is not a tax yet HIS solicitor general argued it is!
No. Because its thousands of pages of government gibberish. It is one of the reasons I opposed it. They don't even know what's in it or the implications.
They signed it into law without reading it. They had to amend it the same day it signed because it did not cover children with preexisting conditions. It's an Obamanation of a law.
Wish I could ask obama. this is his theft I dont live in Romney's state
Why would you want to ask Obama about why Romney said what he did. You should be asking Romney. He is someone you support and believe in, no?
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Originally Posted by OICU812
Health care cannot be handled the same way as the stimulus and cap-and-trade bills. With those, the president stuck to the old style of lawmaking: He threw in every special favor imaginable, ground it up and crammed it through a partisan Democratic Congress.
Which is why ObamaCare should be repealed, its flat out - a bad law, passed in a dishonest, irresponsible, and corrupt manner.
And all the while making a point against Public Option and pushing for Mandate. Your comprehension issues continue.
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Originally Posted by southbel
I don't think you would like the reform I would choose. Mine would be eliminate the mandate to treat everyone that walks through the ER. Also, no more employer provided health insurance for comprehensive plans; only thing eligible would be a catastrophic plan. Since there's no more comprehensive plans, you can get something like a supplemental (something like AFLAC) but it won't have that tax advantage of being offered pre-tax income. All cash payments for service and no more doctors checking with the insurance company and filing for you. You want money back? Get it from the insurance company yourself. No more insurance and doctor or hospital agreements on costs. This eliminates which doctors and/or hospitals cover you or not. Now, it's about covering you and not about an agreement with the hospitals and/or doctors. You have to shop doctors yourself to make a determination of cost.
Make it like car insurance, be able to buy across state lines. Tort reform that guts the ambulance chasing lawyers; make it near draconian.
I am sure that not only would I dislike your ideas, but also know that your ideas are utopian. So instead of deflecting, why not answer questions about two of the proposals you spoke of, that I hear often from the right wingers?
So? Obama didn't consider it a tax. Justice Roberts disagreed and his opinion matters more. The fact that Obama's signature legislation benefited does not make Obama's opinion a lie -- no matter how much you want it to.
But the end result is President Obama will not lose one vote he otherwise would have had because you think he's a liar.
Sorry, we all new it was a tax, the SCOTUS knew it was a tax, Obama's own lawyers kept slipping up and calling it a tax during oral arguments. Obama lied, by saying that is was not a tax. That's what a lie is, fool, it's claiming something is different from what it really is. Why else was the IRS involved in collecting it, if it was not a tax?!
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