Welcome to City-Data.com Forum!
U.S. CitiesCity-Data Forum Index
Go Back   City-Data Forum > General Forums > Politics and Other Controversies
 [Register]
Please register to participate in our discussions with 2 million other members - it's free and quick! Some forums can only be seen by registered members. After you create your account, you'll be able to customize options and access all our 15,000 new posts/day with fewer ads.
View detailed profile (Advanced) or search
site with Google Custom Search

Search Forums  (Advanced)
View Poll Results: Largest tax increase ever?
Obamacare is the largest tax increase in US History 21 36.84%
Obamacare is the largest tax increase in the history of the World 7 12.28%
Obamacare is the largest tax increase in the history of the Galaxy 0 0%
Obamacare is the largest tax increase in the history of the Universe 6 10.53%
Rush Limbaugh is a comedian 23 40.35%
Voters: 57. You may not vote on this poll

Reply Start New Thread
 
Old 06-29-2012, 06:10 PM
 
47,525 posts, read 69,707,823 times
Reputation: 22474

Advertisements

Quote:
Originally Posted by wrench409 View Post
No he won't.

Standards and training will be far less stringent under O care. Because it ain't gonna be no doctor deciding your treatment.........it will be a third rate buearocrat that makes medical decisions based on how much his office party hoopla-zoo vaca is gonna cut into his/her gov bonus that comes out of the new tax, uh, sorry, benefit penalty.
True -- the government will decide which tests can be ordered, how frequently a test can be ordered and then there will be a treatment plan and the nurse practitioner or MD will not be allowed to deviate from this plan.

That's already what's going on with Medicare -- you cannot have tests performed unless the government says you may.
Reply With Quote Quick reply to this message

 
Old 06-29-2012, 06:34 PM
 
29,939 posts, read 39,468,904 times
Reputation: 4799
Quote:
Originally Posted by Majin View Post
Politifact claims false, supported by facts:

PolitiFact | Limbaugh, GOP have it wrong: Health care law is not the largest tax increase ever

Or is Politifact liberal MSM garbage?
Garbage.

Quote:
Originally Posted by Majin View Post
Can you please point out where the politifact analysis went wrong?
Quote:
We then divided that number into the projected GDP for 2019, which according to the CBO economic forecast is $21.164 trillion. That would mean the tax increase provisions of the health care law would amount to .49 percent of total GDP.
Well, isn't that just convenient. Use an assessment from 2009 that says we'll have 4.2% as a baseline annual increases in GDP 2012 - 2019 then just compare using cost of the tax as a percent of GDP.

Why not use the updated projections that have 2.8% as the expected annual growth (which is more than likely rosy too)?

Because it doesn't make the tax increases look nearly as bad as they are.
Reply With Quote Quick reply to this message
 
Old 06-29-2012, 06:36 PM
 
Location: Dallas
31,290 posts, read 20,744,889 times
Reputation: 9325
Quote:
Originally Posted by stillkit View Post
Looks like the GOP's attempt to spin it as tax is taking hold.

Nobody called it a tax until CJ Robert's did. Next up? It'll be an Obama tax!
Obama called it a tax. So it must be a tax.

Obama lied again. But that's nothing new. He's quite comfortable telling lies and know that the lemming will defend his lies.
Reply With Quote Quick reply to this message
 
Old 06-29-2012, 06:37 PM
 
Location: Stillwater, Oklahoma
30,976 posts, read 21,641,969 times
Reputation: 9676
It's all too confusing to me. Maybe the 2012 election will be a replay of 2010. If so, ObamaCare gets repealed. But then are the sleeping giants awakening really going to work to repeal all the goodies they get under ObamaCare? I don't know.
Reply With Quote Quick reply to this message
 
Old 06-29-2012, 06:41 PM
 
47,525 posts, read 69,707,823 times
Reputation: 22474
It is a tax -- what else could it be?

A tax is when the government confiscates the money you worked for and redistributes it as it sees fit. That's exactly what this is all about.

This is not "insurance" which means you choose to protect your assets by paying into an insurance plan as everyone will be entitled to the same health care whether they paid anything or not. If someone chooses not to work for a living, he will be entitled to exactly the same as the guy who worked for it.
Reply With Quote Quick reply to this message
 
Old 06-29-2012, 06:42 PM
 
47,525 posts, read 69,707,823 times
Reputation: 22474
Quote:
Originally Posted by StillwaterTownie View Post
It's all too confusing to me. Are the sleeping giants awakening really going to work to repeal all the goodies they get under ObamaCare.
What do I get under ObamaCare? Absolutely zilch.
Reply With Quote Quick reply to this message
 
Old 06-29-2012, 06:42 PM
 
29,939 posts, read 39,468,904 times
Reputation: 4799
Quote:
Originally Posted by stillkit View Post
Looks like the GOP's attempt to spin it as tax is taking hold.

Nobody called it a tax until CJ Robert's did. Next up? It'll be an Obama tax!
Quote:
As we have explained, “every reasonable construction must be resorted to, in order to save a statute from unconstitutionality.” Hooper v. California, 155 U. S. 648, 657 (1895). The Government asks us to interpret the mandate as imposing a tax, if it would otherwise violate the Constitution. Granting the Act the full measure of deference owed to federal statutes, it can be so read, for the reasons set forth below.
http://www.supremecourt.gov/opinions...11-393c3a2.pdf

[MOD CUT/hotlinking]

Last edited by Ibginnie; 06-29-2012 at 07:08 PM..
Reply With Quote Quick reply to this message
 
Old 06-29-2012, 06:52 PM
 
Location: Inland Empire, Calif
2,884 posts, read 5,642,077 times
Reputation: 2803
Quote:
Originally Posted by A_Lexus View Post
George Bush levied a "War or Terror" Tax which decimated this country in every conceivable way. His tax was IMPLIED.

Also, for 8 years, Republicans and Bush ignored the health care crisis. How much did this tax the country, by implication? An amount so large, it can't be measured.

Great job this President is doing.
8500 posts and never even one were you correct on anything... Give it up, obama is a corrupt loser who has four months left to try and finish his destruction of our country...
Thank god for President Romney...!
Reply With Quote Quick reply to this message
 
Old 06-29-2012, 07:02 PM
 
Location: Kansas City, MO
3,565 posts, read 7,981,321 times
Reputation: 2605
Quote:
Originally Posted by Redshadowz View Post
I never understand why people argue about this crap.

I wouldn't be surprised that in absolute numbers, this act will increase federal revenue by a larger amount than any other act in history. The Politifact website talks about increases relative to GDP, in which they state the ACA will only increase federal revenues by about .49% of GDP. But first, these are projections by a governmental budget office, which are always way wrong. And secondly, they are based on the assumption that a large number of people will just opt to buy their own healthcare premiums instead of paying the fee. So if we need to add up the extra revenues from the act itself, with the people who will feel obligated to buy a healthcare plan under the new program. With everything factored in, the total new expense to individuals/taxpayers will most certainly be much higher than .49% of GDP.


The sad situation is that, the whole bill in the long-run will be totally revamped.


The reason why is. The penalty fees are much too low. Under the current ACA mandate, the highest incomes will be paying very little to subsidize the lower incomes in regards to the public-option. The higher incomes will either simply buy their own health insurance and avoid the fee, or pay the fee, knowing that it is an insignificant amount compared to their total income.

Which effectively means, most of the cost of the public-option, will have to be paid for by the middle and lower classes, especially the young and/or self-employed.


This healthcare law is a total piece of crap. But its all they could get passed.

It is and always has been, single-payer or bust. You people need to stop being idiots.
Wasn't the public option taken out of the bill in 2010?
Reply With Quote Quick reply to this message
 
Old 06-29-2012, 07:05 PM
 
Location: Hoboken
19,890 posts, read 18,755,547 times
Reputation: 3146
Quote:
Originally Posted by Majin View Post
Can you please point out where the politifact analysis went wrong?
Its based on GDP and revenue estimates both notorious for their difficulty to predict.
Reply With Quote Quick reply to this message
Please register to post and access all features of our very popular forum. It is free and quick. Over $68,000 in prizes has already been given out to active posters on our forum. Additional giveaways are planned.

Detailed information about all U.S. cities, counties, and zip codes on our site: City-data.com.


Reply
Please update this thread with any new information or opinions. This open thread is still read by thousands of people, so we encourage all additional points of view.

Quick Reply
Message:


Over $104,000 in prizes was already given out to active posters on our forum and additional giveaways are planned!

Go Back   City-Data Forum > General Forums > Politics and Other Controversies
Similar Threads

All times are GMT -6. The time now is 06:44 PM.

© 2005-2024, Advameg, Inc. · Please obey Forum Rules · Terms of Use and Privacy Policy · Bug Bounty

City-Data.com - Contact Us - Archive 1, 2, 3, 4, 5, 6, 7, 8, 9, 10, 11, 12, 13, 14, 15, 16, 17, 18, 19, 20, 21, 22, 23, 24, 25, 26, 27, 28, 29, 30, 31, 32, 33, 34, 35, 36, 37 - Top