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Old 07-09-2012, 09:36 AM
 
Location: Great State of Texas
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Yes, let's trivialize this by talking about pink eye. In any event, once a person has been on antibiotic eye drops for 24 hours, they are no longer contagious and able to go back to school/work/day care.

Flu? Yeah, can last two weeks in some cases. Losing that much income could put some families over the edge. Many people live "paycheck to paycheck".
The statistics don't show that. But it was told over and over to sell Obamacare.
Many people living paycheck to paycheck don't have insurance and they have their kids on medicaid.

Going back to 2009 when this was being sold to the public:
Medical bills prompt more than 60 percent of U.S. bankruptcies - CNN
"..most of those who filed for bankruptcy were middle-class, well-educated homeowners,"

 
Old 07-09-2012, 09:44 AM
 
Location: Foot of the Rockies
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The statistics don't show that. But it was told over and over to sell Obamacare.
Many people living paycheck to paycheck don't have insurance and they have their kids on medicaid.

Going back to 2009 when this was being sold to the public:
Medical bills prompt more than 60 percent of U.S. bankruptcies - CNN
"..most of those who filed for bankruptcy were middle-class, well-educated homeowners,"
You have to be practically destitute to qualify for medicaid, and anyway, they are referring to an illness or injury that keeps the wage earner out of work. Many people living paycheck to paycheck have fairly large paychecks. They may have some crazy "high deductible" plan that the RW is so fond of.
 
Old 07-09-2012, 09:53 AM
 
Location: Norman, OK
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This bill would do nothing to help those 26,000 people and cannot be shown to do anything to help 26,000 future people like them. Bottom line - it is the cost of healthcare in this country that is out of control, not the access to healthcare. And while not mutually exclusive, the former is by far the hugest concern for the well-being of future generations.

There is a reason why pharmaceutical companies and hospitals supported the ACA, and it wasn't because they saw having mandated insurance as a great thing necessarily. They saw that the bill did nothing - zero, zilch - to stop the pharmaceuticals from continuing to push for more medication and more pills to charge the insurance companies and collect more money. Nor did hospitals see any controls in place to stop having to pay $1500 per 5 minute visit for doctors making their rounds in a patient's room.

So, now what? Premiums go up because more people must buy healthcare coverage and access to doctors grows scarcer because of the lack of physicians-to-patients. People see premiums rising and realize they cannot afford the coverage, so they pay a tax instead. Now, what happens to Person X who pays the penalty and then goes and gets treated at the ER for the flu and gets the bill for $6000?
 
Old 07-09-2012, 10:04 AM
 
Location: Florida
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"..most of those who filed for bankruptcy were middle-class, well-educated homeowners,"
Yes, indeed. It's a sad situation.
 
Old 07-09-2012, 10:07 AM
 
Location: Long Island
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Yes, indeed. It's a sad situation.
the sad situation is that liberals need to continue to lie to get the agenda passed
 
Old 07-09-2012, 10:08 AM
 
Location: Great State of Texas
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You have to be practically destitute to qualify for medicaid, and anyway, they are referring to an illness or injury that keeps the wage earner out of work. Many people living paycheck to paycheck have fairly large paychecks. They may have some crazy "high deductible" plan that the RW is so fond of.
That's your opinion though. Those statistics didn't go into that type of detail.
You don't know what they had. Could have been living high off the hog way above their means and had little to nothing in savings. See, that's my opinion.

Either of us could be right or wrong.

Plenty working at Wallymart at min wage and have their kids on medicaid.
http://makingchangeatwalmart.org/healthcare/
http://www.nytimes.com/2005/10/26/bu...pagewanted=all
Ms. Chambers acknowledged that 46 percent of the children of Wal-Mart's 1.33 million United States employees were uninsured or on Medicaid.
 
Old 07-09-2012, 10:11 AM
 
Location: Florida
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the sad situation is that liberals need to continue to lie to get the agenda passed
I am pretty sure the bill already passed in 2010. Facts are facts, and medical bankruptcy being a big problem is a fact.
 
Old 07-09-2012, 10:14 AM
 
Location: Long Island
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Originally Posted by Finn_Jarber View Post
I am pretty sure the bill already passed in 2010. Facts are facts, and medical bankruptcy being a big problem is a fact.
and obama care did NOTHING to prevent 'medical' bankruptcy

all obama care did was make bankruptcy even a bigger problem

if people cant AFFORD insurance, but are now MANDATED to BUY something they cant afford, or pay a tax they cant afford, what do you think will happen......hmmm


FACT 100% of all bankruptcies are due to the person not being able to pay bills...it has ZERO to do with medical bills...bankruptcy has to do with ALL BILLS

again more lies from the liberals pushing their agenda...

Last edited by workingclasshero; 07-09-2012 at 10:27 AM..
 
Old 07-09-2012, 10:17 AM
 
Location: Prepperland
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Physicians (iatrogenesis) may cause 225000 deaths per year in the United States.
Iatrogenesis - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Almost nine times as many killed BY treatment than by not getting treatment !
 
Old 07-09-2012, 10:20 AM
 
Location: Great State of Texas
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I am pretty sure the bill already passed in 2010. Facts are facts, and medical bankruptcy being a big problem is a fact.
Yeah but it may not have been due to not having insurance. We are a nation of non-savers.
Any emergency can send a number of people over the edge because they have no emergency fund.
Plenty of stories to back that up and not just in healthcare. You read about newly unemployed 50+ year olds having to cash out their 401K accounts because they have nothing else saved.

They say a government is a reflection of it's people. Think about that one.
No wonder the Fed does QE's like no tomorrow and hands out money and ups the poverty threshhold by hundreds of percentage points.

Americans have no money like the government has no money. Imagine what another fiscal crisis will do ?
That should scare the pants off anyone.

And this is not something 400 rich people can solve via more taxes.
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