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Ok, so why don't they just go out and produce their own one then?
a few minutes of discomfort, with someone of the opposite sex, is hardly a high price to pay to get a child.
Maybe some do. But that's hardly your business, since you can't seem to tell us how homosexuality, gay marriage, or gay parenting is harmful and provide factual support for your claims. Basically, you are opposing the adoption of children in need of parents because you want all the gays to reproduce naturally instead. Silly, ain't it?
I don't think children should be reduced to a commodity.
The Lord gives life, through the union of man and woman - money has nothing to do with it.
So, yes, of course I want people to reproduce naturally - as the Lord intended.
No offense, but who cares what YOU want - or what your religious beliefs dictate? Neither of those things are factors in reality, the law, or what other people do with their lives. Sorry, but that is the simple truth whether you like it or not!
Ok, so why don't they just go out and produce their own one then?
a few minutes of discomfort, with someone of the opposite sex, is hardly a high price to pay to get a child.
Some have sex with the opposite sex. Some use surrogates. Some use donated sperm. We use ALL the same methods as heterosexual couples to have children. Including adoption of children in need of a loving a family.
Why do you want children to live their lives in foster care, or group homes (which have been proven to have higher numbers of abuse) rather than have a loving family?
No offense, but who cares what YOU want - or what your religious beliefs dictate? Neither of those things are factors in reality, the law, or what other people do with their lives. Sorry, but that is the simple truth whether you like it or not!
not so - because Nature is an agent of the Lord.
Biological determinism is controlled by nature - and this necessitates man and woman to produce a child.
There is no getting away from this fact.
How could a gay couple have a child if they lived on a remote island, or did not have the means to pay for IVF?
there is no gay gene and it's all just speculation and theory there is no hard fact what so ever. there is no medical test that can determine if a person is homosexual and that is a fact.
You are incorrect.
Of course there is no single 'gay gene', and no scientist expects to find a 'single' gene. Human sexuality is far too complex for just one gene. That does not mean that people are not innately homosexual or can't be 'tested' to determine if they are homosexual. Not that a person needs to be tested to know if they are gay or lesbian or not when you can just ask them. Interestingly, phallometric testing can prove that some men who are the most rabidly homophobic, are aroused by erotic images/videos of men.
The scans reveal that in gay people, key structures of the brain governing emotion, mood, anxiety and aggressiveness resemble those in straight people of the opposite sex.
"This is the most robust measure so far of cerebral differences between homosexual and heterosexual subjects," she says.
Previous studies have also shown differences inbrain architecture and activity between gay and straight people, but most relied on people's responses to sexuality driven cues that could have been learned, such as rating the attractiveness of male or female faces.
Brain symmetry
To get round this, Savic and her colleague, Per Lindström, chose to measure brain parameters likely to have been fixed at birth.
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"This study demonstrates that homosexuals of both sexes show strong cross-sex shifts in brain symmetry," says Qazi Rahman, a leading researcher on sexual orientation at Queen Mary college, University of London, UK.
"The connectivity differences reported in the amygdala are striking."
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The fetal brain develops during the intrauterine period in the male direction through a direct action of testosterone on the developing nerve cells, or in the female direction through the absence of this hormone surge. In this way, our gender identity (the conviction of belonging to the male or female gender) and sexual orientation are programmed or organized into our brain structures when we are still in the womb.
However, since sexual differentiation of the genitals takes place in the first two months of pregnancy and sexual differentiation of the brain starts in the second half of pregnancy, these two processes can be influenced independently, which may result in extreme cases in trans-sexuality. This also means that in the event of ambiguous sex at birth, the degree of masculinization of the genitals may not reflect the degree of masculinization of the brain.
There is no indication that social environment after birth has an effect on gender identity or sexual orientation.
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Celibacy would probably be the biblical message here.
Marriage is not for everyone, and for those who cannot do so, they may turn themselves to God even more.
Religion isn't for everyone either, but I don't see any Atheists here trying to convert YOU... kindly show them the same respect, and keep your religious beliefs out of their business (and our laws).
Why do you want children to live their lives in foster care, or group homes (which have been proven to have higher numbers of abuse) rather than have a loving family?
Because a family of two daddies, or two mommies is not correct.
It is not a family - but two single people living together.
Living in a foster home would allow the child to at least grow up without the influence of confused gender and sexuality roles.
For the last time, this is not the place for proselytizing. I don't care what your Bible says, as it means absolutely nothing to me... if I told you homosexuality was an agent of the flying spaghetti monster, would that matter one bit to you?? Sheesh, some people just don't get it!
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Biological determinism is controlled by nature - and this necessitates man and woman to produce a child.
There is no getting away from this fact.
So what? This has nothing to do with modern society, raising adopted (or IVF/surrogate) children, or even with the topic of gay marriage. It also has no bearing on how well a child can be raised, a point you & your cohorts are incapable of denying - and that is REALLY the crux of the topic, since we've already established that heterosexual sex isn't the only way to make or get a baby.
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How could a gay couple have a child if they lived on a remote island, or did not have the means to pay for IVF?
Why would they care, if they were stuck on an island - and why would anyone else care, unless we're talking about an apocalypse with these two (same-sex) gay individuals being the ONLY survivors? And if your scenario is the latter, the species wouldn't continue even if those two men/women were straight. So it's a rather silly question, and yet another way to avoid addressing the true issue here.
That being said, I guess they'd just learn to make coconut margaritas... then spend their remaining days in solitude with each other, tanning and enjoying the island sun. LOL
I don't think children should be reduced to a commodity.
The Lord gives life, through the union of man and woman - money has nothing to do with it.
So, yes, of course I want people to reproduce naturally - as the Lord intended.
Don't you think the Lord also wants orphaned children to find loving homes? Or does He just not care about those whose parents abandoned them?
My straight parents adopted me and I don't see how our family is any less sacred than if my parents had given birth to me. Do you think I'm a commodity just because my parents adopted me?
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