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I am educated and intelligent enough to know it's a b.s. term made up so that bigots and idiots can lump a huge group of varied and different people into one group so they can be systematically villified.
I would suggest you search and read some of things that are out there. If some of your ilk had there way, homosexuality would be a requirement and forced upon people.
If you don't like what some of your brood are saying, then I suggest you find a way to silence them, because they're not helping your cause.
One man's terrorist is another man's freedom fighter.
Googling not leaping....
Mircea
I see confused people grasping at straws.
The fact that two people consent to do something does make the act legitimate.
See below.
Differentiating...
Mircea
If the dog doesn't run away, then it's consenting, right?
Their position was coerced by threats and intimidation, and many psychologists do not agree with the APA board's assessment.
That is not science, that is pseudo-science.
Science is Universal, meaning it applies everywhere all the time and always has and always will.
A bunch of skewed statistical data hedged with Weasel Words like "maybe," "might," "possibly," "perhaps" etc etc etc is not science.
Scientifically...
Mircea
Typical response by someone who just got steam-rolled into the gutter.
Actually, no the people who need their behavior validated are the ones who always act out, regardless of what that behavior is. You need to take more psychology courses at your local university.
Reality bites...
Mircea
Because that's humans evolved.
It's also how humans fulfill their primary function on Planet Earth.
If you thought you're primary purpose was to build bridges and highways and make music and paint things, you're wrong. Those are merely incidental to primary function.
Pointing out the obvious....
Mircea
I asked the same question when Obama rammed Obamacare down everyone's throats.
So, time to own up....do you support Obamacare? Because if you do, you just contradicted yourself and admitted that you're an hypocrite.
Personally...
Mircea
Yes, I was a detective sergeant and investigated cases of rape and pedophilia for prosecution.
Why do you assert that they are not?
An adulterous affair is consensual, no?
And look at the harm and damage that is done, not only to the two consenting adults, but to others operating in the spheres of their lives.
Why do you think the US military punishes adultery? Because it is incredibly harmful, damaging and destructive, even though it takes place between two consenting adults.
Is adultery normal? Perhaps we should legalize adultery, in that way when a spouse commits adultery, the victim party cannot file for divorce for cause. That would kind of put a damper on pre-nuptial agreements.
The fact that two people consent to do anything does not make it legal, or legitimate, or normal or right or correct or proper or anything else, and it certainly does not make it harmless.
Your logic is seriously flawed. You should take more philosophy courses at university.
No, the fail is your pathetic attempt to misrepresent my position. Consent is not the issue.
These people made these statements...
...and to summarize their flawed logic, if something has existed for a long time then it is normal and should be accepted.
Since murder, war, rape, theft and many other unpleasant things have been around as long as humans, then based on their logic, we should just accept it and decriminalize it.
I said....
...which indicates that you are totally bereft of any sense of humor.
I'm an Atheist, and I use that demonstrate to christians that as an Atheist, I am morally superior to Jesus, since unlike Jesus, I recognize rape as a peremptory norm under jus cogens, meaning it is never justifiable....and never means "at no time ever."
That means if an heterosexual man and woman are the only two human survivors remaining on Planet Earth, and the woman does not want to have sexual relations, then that is the end of the Human Race, and rape is not justified, not even in that instance.
You forgot to mention this part....
And you also forgot to mention that female worker ants are typically born sterile and cannot reproduce.
Still, it does not alter the fact that it requires a female and a male, not two males, and not two females.
If evolution supported homosexuality, then there'd be a clitoris in the anus, right?
You might want to take some zoology courses so you can understand evolution.
I'm looking at the group as a whole, you have to single out individuals.
Yes, unlike you, I don't engage in dishonest discourse. What is true is true, and yes it is true that there can be neutral outcomes.
Again, you're grasping at straws and misrepresenting the facts.
This person said....
...to which my response was the color of the hair does not impair the function and purpose of hair, so the analogy fails.
Regardless, hair or lack of and its color and texture and length have no bearing on reproduction.
Not relevant. We are discussing the function and purpose of humans, not individual people. To the extent that it may possibly be relevant, their choice not to reproduce does not alter the fact that their primary purpose on Planet Earth is to reproduce.
I'm still waiting for one of you to demonstrate that the penis and anus were biologically designed to be coupled.
I mention that only because philosophically, the fact that one can do something does not logically presume that one ought to do something.
Just because you can stick a screw-driver in your eyeball, it doesn't logically follow that you should do that or that you ought you do that.
You can spin it anyway you want, and make all manner of failed analogies, but at the end of the day, homosexuality is an abnormal and deviant sexual behavior, no different than bisexuality, necrophilia, zoophilia, pedophilia or paraphilia.
Maybe this will help. When we contrast heterosexuality with deviant and abnormal sexual behaviors....
...see how that works?
Perhaps this is more appropriate....
....get it?
Behaviorally...
Mircea
You're engaging a logical fallacy: you have concluded that procreation is the purpose of human sexual behavior. While many believe this to be the case, there is no rational basis for making that assumption.
You have no way of knowing that procreation is the reason for sexual behavior, or even that it is a reason for sexual behavior. In fact, you cannot empirically show that sexual behavior has any "purpose" whatsoever.
All we can rationally ascertain, is that procreation is a potential consequence of a specific paradigm of human sexual behavior. Maybe the reason for human sexual behavior is actually the propagation of other life forms, such as micro-organisms which are spread through sexual contact.
One might just as easily argue that the purpose of sexual behavior is pleasure, and that procreation is little more than a side-effect; pleasant or unpleasant, depending upon one's perspective. My anecdotal observations and personal experiences suggest that attaining pleasure is a far more common motivator for sexual behavior than is the desire to reproduce.
So, in spite of winning the battle of arrogance, you lose the battle of logic!
No, the fail is your pathetic attempt to misrepresent my position. Consent is not the issue.
These people made these statements...
...and to summarize their flawed logic, if something has existed for a long time then it is normal and should be accepted.
Since murder, war, rape, theft and many other unpleasant things have been around as long as humans, then based on their logic, we should just accept it and decriminalize it.
The thread topic is the normality of homosexual behavior. Murder, war, rape, and theft are the same as both heterosexuality and homosexuality in that are all normal behavior as evidenced by the fact that all have existed throughout human history.
Murder, war, rape, and theft are different from homosexuality and heterosexuality in that they have negative outcomes for non-consenting parties.
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You forgot to mention this part....
And you also forgot to mention that female worker ants are typically born sterile and cannot reproduce.
Still, it does not alter the fact that it requires a female and a male, not two males, and not two females.
I forgot to mention nothing. A species can thrive despite the fact that a number of the individuals of the species do not have any reproductive purpose.
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If evolution supported homosexuality, then there'd be a clitoris in the anus, right?
What is true is true, and yes it is true that there can be neutral outcomes.
What is true is that two men engaging in same-sex sex or two women engaging in same-sex sex is a neutral activity for everyone not directly involved.
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Not relevant. We are discussing the function and purpose of humans, not individual people. To the extent that it may possibly be relevant, their choice not to reproduce does not alter the fact that their primary purpose on Planet Earth is to reproduce.
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I'm still waiting for one of you to demonstrate that the penis and anus were biologically designed to be coupled.
I'm still waiting for you to explain to me why that matters.
Everyone on planet earth engages in pleasurable activities that are not reproductive in nature.
In order to get to the root of validating homosexual behavior as a valid "lifestyle" (sociopolitical) that is on equal ground with heterosexuals in behavior and sociologically - which is the norm in our society.
The fact that humankind has had homosexuality going back as far as recorded history goes is not substantial enough? It doesn't need to BE validated. It IS valid, now.
As for our social "norms" what are you using to judge what is normal? Normal to whom? I am 56, and have known perfectly normal people that happen to be homosexual since I was a young girl. What is abnormal, to me, is how much significance so many people put on other's sexuality, these days.
Yes, I was a detective sergeant and investigated cases of rape and pedophilia for prosecution.
Dear God, and you still don’t see how pedophilia is different from homosexuality? Seriously?
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Why do you assert that they are not?
An adulterous affair is consensual, no?
And look at the harm and damage that is done, not only to the two consenting adults, but to others operating in the spheres of their lives.
Why do you think the US military punishes adultery? Because it is incredibly harmful, damaging and destructive, even though it takes place between two consenting adults.
Is adultery normal? Perhaps we should legalize adultery, in that way when a spouse commits adultery, the victim party cannot file for divorce for cause. That would kind of put a damper on pre-nuptial agreements.
The fact that two people consent to do anything does not make it legal, or legitimate, or normal or right or correct or proper or anything else, and it certainly does not make it harmless.
It’s not the sex in that case that’s harmful, it’s the lying to your married partner that is. This is evidenced by the fact that if people are open about their relationships (polyamory), they can have sex with multiple people and no one gets hurt. The U.S. military punishes all kinds of things that are harmless…not exactly a good “litmus test.” Open marriages allow for sex outside of the marriages but because the lying component is removed, it’s not harmful to either spouse anymore.
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Your logic is seriously flawed. You should take more philosophy courses at university.
Like any number of things-posting on city-data, playing Scrabble, watching American Idol-some people enjoy it and it has no negative effect on any other person.
Is that actually true?
"As of last week, 652 hemophiliacs had developed AIDS and 386 had died of it, according to the Federal Centers for Disease Control in Atlanta. But far more carry the virus in their bodies, which means they may become ill in the future and can pass it to others through sexual intercourse or in blood."
Why should anyone care what you think?
Are you the self-appointed arbiter of morality?
No?
I didnt think so.
I somehow doubt that morality is a very great concern to you.
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