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Old 07-18-2012, 07:16 AM
 
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Think about this Electricity is easy for the Gov to just shut down if they want to.
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Old 07-18-2012, 07:21 AM
 
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The war over coal is personal - CNN.com


If you ask anybody in the coal industry what would happen if Obama is re-elected, they'd say the coal industry is done," said Sedgmer, whose husband, Ryan, is a coal miner and whose family has depended on the industry for at least four generations.

Is she just being chumped by the repub's or is there any truth to this?
The coal industry is taking a hit, but ironically, the danger it faces comes not from Obama, but from natural gas. The continued discovery of natural gas is forcing the price of coal to plummet, which makes mining for it less profitable.
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Old 07-18-2012, 07:24 AM
 
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That's funny. Because you're getting to area where I have a working knowledge of.

And nobody seriously is making that claim. Coal shipments are down because natural gas is so cheap.

Poor miner, likely low IQ, with low education, gets fed this tripe during his lunch break by company supervisors.

Obama hasn't proposed anything drastic. Just mild measure to help clean the air we breathe.

You're a victim of coal industry PR propaganda.
Goodbye to All That: Reflections of a GOP Operative Who Left the Cult

Among the GOP base, there is constant harping about somebody else, some "other," who is deliberately, assiduously and with malice aforethought subverting the Good, the True and the Beautiful: Subversives. Commies. Socialists. Ragheads. Secular humanists. Blacks. ****. Feminazis. The list may change with the political needs of the moment, but they always seem to need a scapegoat to hate and fear.

This does cover the post that refereed to billboards insinuating that a Black man took your job!
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Old 07-18-2012, 07:25 AM
 
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Perhaps people should do some research before they whine. What's the difference between the healthcare costs caused by poor air quality and the slight reduction in the demand for coal.
Oh but why do that? That fat oxycontin popping douche bag makes 'learning' so fun, and he tells me whatever I already believe and we even have sing-alongs.
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Old 07-18-2012, 07:29 AM
 
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And you know these dumb-a*s liberals with their electric cars where does most of the juice for those come from COAL.............. Coal generates 54% of our Electricity......
Better to be termed a dumbass liberal than be known as a godless uncaring sneeky lying stinking selfish republican. imo
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Old 07-18-2012, 07:30 AM
 
Location: Londonderry, NH
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"They are scaling back production to get the prices back up." that is the definition of market manipulation and AFIK is illegal. In a free market every producer sells as much product as possible to make a return on his investment. If he cannot make a profit he closes up and takes the loss. He does NOT call up all his friends and say "If we cut back 10% we will all make a profit."

The reason utilities are closing some coal fired plants instead of installing scrubbers is the plants are already too old, worn out and inefficient to compete with natural gas fueled turbines. If we were really serious about creating a safe secure energy source we would be building a distributed system of relatively small (>1,000 MWe) nuclear power plants operating in a full fuel breeding and recycle system that can actually create more fissionable material than it uses. That, not coal, oil or natural gas, is the perpetual power supply for the world.

We have been frightened by the fossil fuel industry into believing nuclear power is inherently unsafe. It is not and the best example is the health of all the submarine sailors that have lived in the tiny steel boxes with operating fission reactors for years.

FWIW – Nuclear power plants do not breed weapons grade Plutonium but create Pu 240 or Pu 241 that cannot be used in weapons. These reactors also do not create weapons grade Uranium 235 but fission that material and capture the energy.
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Old 07-18-2012, 07:36 AM
 
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Published July 16, 2012, 12:00 AM June cargo shipments on Great Lakes reported

Iron ore shipments on the Great Lakes totaled 6.5 million tons in June, a decrease of 5 percent from May, but an increase of 3 percent compared to a year ago, according to the Lake Carriers’ Association. Shipments were almost 16 percent ahead of June’s five-year average.June cargo shipments on Great Lakes reported | Duluth News Tribune | Duluth, Minnesota
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Old 07-18-2012, 07:44 AM
 
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Better to be termed a dumbass liberal than be known as a godless uncaring sneeky lying stinking selfish republican. imo

Study: Conservatives More Generous Than Liberals
Study: Conservatives More Generous Than Liberals - Bright Hall
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Old 07-18-2012, 07:49 AM
 
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Study: Conservatives More Generous Than Liberals
Study: Conservatives More Generous Than Liberals - Bright Hall
I don't need a slanted survey to tell me what i see in daily life.
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Old 07-18-2012, 07:53 AM
 
Location: CHicago, United States
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The war over coal is personal - CNN.com


If you ask anybody in the coal industry what would happen if Obama is re-elected, they'd say the coal industry is done," said Sedgmer, whose husband, Ryan, is a coal miner and whose family has depended on the industry for at least four generations.

Is she just being chumped by the repub's or is there any truth to this?
Obama represented a coal producing state. And if the coal industry has problems of survival it's not because the President is against the industry. It's because of the problems generated by mining coal ... and, free market competition of energy sources. Cheap natural gas is causing energy producers to abandon coal more than any other reason.
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