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the facts seemed to have mattered a couple posts back.
Anything to divert the discussion away from the single greatest failure in the past 4 years... The collective actions of one man. Just like when he whines about the hand of cards he was given... Anything to divert the attention away...
You are nebulous as to how easy it is to create a resume when there is a personality that is needed. Same thing can be said for W, though his credits are more obviously finagled. Shouldn't Mr. Obama be proud to show the world his previous academic work & records instead of having it all declared as private and thus 'sealed' for all intents and purposes? Why all the mystery from someone who presumably shines such a benevolent light in the world?
Why do you support someone so vociferously when all he has delivered on is corporatized healthcare? I don't want to hear that tired cry of "racist", either. Protest voting is rather childish if either candidate is owned.
By all means, feel free to vote for the other guy.
besides this quote being echoed throughout birtherdom i have yet to find evidence that the seattle temple was founded in 1960 or if malcolm x was there for the founding.
but obama would have been conceived around the beginning of november 1960 and we know that stanley ann was in honolulu then and that malcolm was in new york ( doing a radio debate with baynard rustin ).
We don't even know Barry's real birthdate, so we sure as hell don't know when he was conceived, or by whom. There is no record of Stanley giving birth. No hospital records, no doctor records, nada, just several forgeries by yourstruly. Isn't it convenient that most everybody that could have played a part in witnessing that birthday, is dead.
By all means, feel free to vote for the other guy.
Feel free to feel that any of the profferred choices will do anything on your behalf other than sate an appetite for correct intellectual posturing, without direct benefit to you, from a group of hacks dedicated to swoon you over to endorsing a belligerent course of action while taxing you into agoverment-subsidized, government-dependent poverty.
besides the COLB, LFBC, 1968 state dept report and the contemporaneous newspaper accounts.
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No hospital records, no doctor records, nada,.....
unknown if there are or aren't. the hospital is restricted by privacy laws. but it is unlikely that they do. states only require hospitals to retain ob/gyn records till the child turns 18 or a few years after ( the longest i've found is 5 years ).
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....just several forgeries by yourstruly.
yours truly?
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Isn't it convenient that most everybody that could have played a part in witnessing that birthday, is dead.
verna lee.
( everyone who played a part in my birth were dead before i hit 40. not sure if that is convenient or not ).
Obviously, in your eagerness for the opportunity to attack Obama, you skipped right over my answer regarding what I meant by the word "superior." If you had paused long enough to read it or think about it, you wouldn't have had to waste time typing your response, but.....then that would have also cost you the opportunity to post about Obama. However, for your convenience I've posted a link to my answer.
So is it not part of most conservatives and Republican belief that personal accountability and material success indicate who are the winners and who are the losers? Since when don't you guys believe in a hierarchy in the work place and in your careers? Do you now support the idea of everybody at work and career are equals....sort of like that dreaded word communism? According to, from what I can tell about conservatives, indeed in terms of careers that Romney is superior to me if judged by the standards of material wealth and power which seem to be so dominant in the U.S.. He's most likely superior to you in that regard as well. If Romney were elected President, regardless of how I may feel about what he may do as President, I would without doubt, at a personal level, show him respect as the POTUS. (Which is what was being discussed initially when I made this post, whether or not roysoldboy could or would show respect to Obama with Obama being in a superior position as POTUS in terms of careet success).
You asked, What makes Obama superior over anyone? Well, Obama's success is evident by the very fact that he was elected President of the United States, which in terms of career success makes him superior to most of us, if we were never elected as POTUS. That's a fact of career success you can't deny, even if you didn't want him to be elected. The fact is that the majority of people wanted Obama to be President, and being a politician certainly involves winning elections, so I don't see how his election can be regarded as anything other than a success in his career.
As for Obama's "success" during his term in office, well, no need to go there because there are many opinions regarding that issue, and it seems that history will ultimately be the judge of his success as President. that's for the future.
IMO, the contribution of Obama's Presidency to the division of the country is based on the fact that he is of mixed race and visually identified as black. I have no doubt you will disagree. I also attribute the division in this country to the Republican's insistence of no compromise, as well as the extreme hate talk found all over conservative talk radio.
And in your eagerness to respond you failed to answer my question.
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Romney could be considered a success. Do you give him respect and do you consider him superior to you and others because of his "success"?
Since you brought out the race card, many black people voted for the first time when Obama ran for president. Where were all those black voters in previous elections? Did all those first time voters think that the Messiah arrived? So we have to wait for the "future" to find out what he accomplished??? JFK pulled off a first - first Catholic president. We didn't have to wait for history to tell us his accomplishments. We lived through them during his time as POTUS. Many white people voted for Obama - and I would assume it wasn't because of his race - visually black, or his being bi-racial, having a white mother. He said all the right things. He said what people wanted to hear. He's been saying what hispanics, mostly illegal what they want to hear. He is also giving illegal hispanics what they want. The problem is, he hasn't followed through with his promises. And please stop putting it on the Republicans. Neither the Dems nor the Republicans are open for compromise with the other party. Are you aware of the Presidents Club? There are former Presidents with a wealth of knowledge and experience available to a sitting President. Obama is so arrogant and such a narcissist that he can't bring himself to learn from them. Then again, they don't share his socialist views so one can understand his not looking to them for advice or learn from their experience.
What I'm getting from many people is that if you don't "like" Obama, you are a racist. If you vote for Romney, you must be a racist. I think Romney's vote potential has to do with the fact that people would rather live under capitalism as opposed to socialism. When you say:
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Do you now support the idea of everybody at work and career are equals....sort of like that dreaded word communism
that is socialism (Obama's mindset), not communism. You need to know the different between the two. Socialism is the very direction that Obama wants to take this country and unfortunately too many people can't see that.
I don't bow down to career success, but I will respect it. I don't have to like someone to respect their accomplishments. I give respect to those who take an opportunity and do the best they can with that opportunity. If you sit in the highest position of the US and fail to do your best then you haven't succeeded. Being a success doesn't mean everything you do is right. Look at all the men at the top of the banks and corporations that took bailouts because they were "too big to fail". Based on your definition those men at the top were "success" stories, which may be true regarding career - the difference is that they had to work to get there - it wasn't about being at the right place and the right time.
Do you think raising our national debt during his tenure is a sign of success? Where are the 7 million jobs he said he would create? Giving illegals the same rights as citizens is out of control. I'm not talking about the 2 million Dreamers he is giving a pass to, but the other 10 million who were adults when they entered the US illegally. Since 1986 Presidents failed to see immigration laws enforced. But this POTUS has re-written the laws which favor illegals.
Observers have pointed out that Hillary's downfall was her going on the attack. Had she not, more than likely it would have been a different outcome. She was more than qualified to serve as POTUS. Had McCain's camp did a proper vet of Sarah Palin, McCain could have had a very good chance up against Obama - again McCain was someone with an abundance of government experience. One thing people know about McCain - he is highly experienced in government, he is a humble man, and as close to honest as a politican could get. You see like Sarah Palin, Obama was at the right place at the right time but what they lacked was the ability to run a country and serve the people. And that time is when ALL people were looking for hope and change.
If Obama thinks that the ONLY mistake he made during his term was not communicating better with the people, then he needs to take a better look at the promises he did not fulfill to get where he is, ask himself if we are better off today than we were 5 years ago, are we on a solid road to recovery?
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Sorry you find yourself in such a losing situation. Maybe you should consider running for President. If you know the solutions, please jump right in there."Hard work" is not the fix. One has to know where and how to "work hard".....and have answers leading to the solutions before they begin "hard work." You can "work hard" all day and all night, going in the wrong direction, and never achieve the solutions you desire.
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AGAIN, when I used the words superior and success I was/am referring to what is considered "success" and "superior" in today's U.S. society in terms of WORK and CAREER.
You speak for society??
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never miss an opportunity to insult and patronize. ...even if it does not enhance your argument.
Is that a privilege reserved for Obama supporters???
AGAIN, the definition I used for "success" and "superior" is the definition most conservatives use to define those two words in terms of career/work.
Yes, I will vote for Obama. Romney is certainly too far right for me. Obama is the candidate who is at least somewhat very moderately left. Please read my posts again for the standard I'm using for "success" and "superior."
Btw, I very well know the difference between socialism and communism. But apparently a lot of right wingers do NOT as they use those words interchangeably when talking about Obama. Obviously you didn't get the sarcasm.
This entire conversation regarding "success" and "superior" was a simple response to roysoldboy's post saying that he would be willing to have a beer with Obama because he's not a racist.
Bottom line, I think you're protesting too much, Softblueyz.
Oh, OK. Forgive me for not getting your "sarcasm". Maybe you want to when you are being "sarcastic" because it certainly came across as if you meant to say communism. I don't hear/read much about Obama and communism, but I certainly hear alot of people speak of his socialist movement, which I gather you look forward to.
I'll step back and give you the room you need for your protesting/defense arguments and letting everyone know what society is actually thinking. You may have a long day ahead of you. I recommend some yoga.
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However, for your convenience I've posted a link to my answer.
...even if it does not enhance your argument.
