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I grew up in a hard core union town. The local paper went on strike. I had a paper route. My family was dirt poor. I kept my route and continued delivering the paper. I was 10 years old.....
I had adults chase me with their cars. I found my bike destroyed run over by a car. I certainly didnt park it in the street when I went to the store for my mother. Adults preying upon children... welcome to the Wyoming Valley. Home of the kids for csh scandal.
Like a bank, once you build it, it becomes a source to be targeted by bank robbers. A union having any power at all has superstitiously been viewed by those who had established private fiefdoms for themselves as a threat, thereby, justifying turning their town USA into gangland BS. Agreed it's wrong that it happened. Agreed that adults using children as fodder is dead to rights wrong. There is every reason to believe that whomever would do that to a 10yr olds bicycle was not union, but an agent provocateur. A phenomena that befuddles adults would be incomprehensible to the child you were then. Here's what's leading me to that conclusion.
Wyoming is a RTW state. How many billions of dollars do you suppose have been spent this past century on this org (which is formal since 1968) Right to Work States | National Right to Work Legal Defense Foundation ? It is an extension of a nasty tradition known in American history as 'the reign of terror'. I've already mentioned pinkerton men and government collusion yielding legalized espionage discovered by senate hearings. Labor spies - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
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" To stop a union proponent—a pusher, in the anti-union lexicon—the [union] buster will go anywhere, not just to the lunch room, but into the bedroom if necessary. The buster not only is a terrorist; he is also a spy. My team and I routinely pried into workers' police records, personnel files, credit histories, medical records, and family lives in search of a weakness that we could use to discredit union activists. ”
Martin Jay Levitt, 1993, Confessions of a Union Buster[22]
Labor spies may employ techniques of surreptitious monitoring, "missionary" work, sabotage, provoking chaos or violence, frameups, intimidation, or insinuating themselves into positions of authority from which they may alter the basic goals of an organization. A National Labor Relations Board chairman testified about the results of these techniques:
The mystery and deadly certainty with which this scheme [labor spying] operated was so baffling to the men that they each suspected the others, were afraid to meet or to talk and the union was completely broken."
How all this played out in WV via Baldwin Felts thugs is illustrated well in the film Matewan. Watch Matewan (1987) Free Online When private interests are given license to murder a sheriff on the steps of a courthouse and none are prosecuted for their crime, it negates & undermines the validity of local governance.
You were a 10yr old boy trying to keep food on your family's table. So too were the 15yr old boys working the mines of Matewan who were murdered in cold blood (justified by Baldwin Felts agents trying to keep food on their family's table). Who had the honest job? Bringing this back to the original post theory-- these big fish in small ponds who prevented anything else from growing in a community by stamping it out, by making themselves an enemy of work ethics, squandering their time/energy/resources union busting, ultimately committed acts killing the future of their very children. Look at that RTW map again and know that any union state sharing a border with them has had their borderline economy trashed by them. That is the state of the state of the southern tier of WV as opposed to it's northern tier.
Compare and contrast the amount of welfare these RTW states are receiving vs the Union states who have been prime producers raising the standard of living for all for a century. Who is the deadbeat? Who is the traitor? Who has been the provocateur, all the while peddling a victim narrative with blood on their hands as they actively engage legislation undermining union states (at the expense of the company, and whole industries)? Who has made a career out of dodging accountability and stealing credit for the work of others? Who persists with ham handed authoritarianism reducing a community to the law of the jungle?
You lefties are really out to lunch. you have these strawmen whose necks you hang all your absurd stereotypes around, full of crap you think conservatives are all about, and then you parade these strawmen around as if you really have some proof. you're like a pervert with his plastic blow-up love doll, who thinks it just like a real woman.
How in the world can theft, robbery, coercion and bullying be equated to the conservative ideology??
I disagree that it is a (conservative ) authoritarian issue. I believe it is an ignorance issue.
My uncle used to say that you can forgive stupid people for being stupid. We aren't all born smart.
Ignorance is never forgivable because that is by choice. You see a better way and ignore it, you know its wrong but excuse it. That is ignorance.
Willful ignorance is plaguing conservative thinking and derailing America as we know it deliberately. It's abundantly clear in this forum (for years, not a day or two) and this very thread is not an exception. Back to what you had said earlier about conservative rhetoric misrepresenting you: I offer you direct evidence below of the mentality that has corrupted conservative principles from within.
Examine the posts and show me where any one of these individuals actually engaged the topic in earnest without turning discourse into a peeing contest. Who among them opened their eyes and minds to the plight of Appalachia- historic and ongoing present tense. Ask yourself what it is these people are defending, and what is it they're all too willing to ignore or exploit for the purpose of scoring political points via mis attributed blame. They're slaves to appearances and sweep this entire state under a rug unless there's something in it for them (cheap coal). They outright ignored every single bit of evidence I've presented and reverted back to a cartoon narrative they've been sold for centuries.
What is it that these individuals contribute to in the categories of insight and solutions for Appalachia? Zero at best. The rest= Shoot the messenger negativity. Personal attacks. Defense of vanity at the expense of truth. One of the poorest states in America is being blamed for what is their own local misery in Texas, NC, Oregon whatnot, and their notion of solution is to neglect by avoidance/denial and abuse even more. These people imply or claim to be Christian but they embody anti christian in their words and unwillingness to accept responsibility for their deeds as a working definition of their 'rights'. Is this the same mentality of adults who ran over your bicycle? People who are all too happy to sell children and call it entrepreneurship. Diminish the worth of all others around them as a means of feeling taller at the expense of all worthy of defense is a theme that destroys their own communities. All scapegoated on liberals, illegals, my half of the species, gays, commies, pinkos, socialists, dems, moderates, blue state economic engines, and anything else that fails to be them.
They're not here to solve anything, Tin. They're the equivalent of drunks showing up to a 12 step meeting trolling for drinking buddies.
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Originally Posted by DRob4JC
Kidnapping and effectively stealing money is conservative. OK - you go with that...
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Originally Posted by stillkit
What the heck do you think this has to do with either conservatism or religion?
Methinks your prejudices are showing...badly.
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Originally Posted by KUchief25
Another post that makes no sense from the "lady". lol
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Originally Posted by KUchief25
Looks like you folks in WV need to clean up your own yard before telling others how dirty theirs is. Good luck with that.
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Originally Posted by HappyTexan
You must have given us the wrong link. There's nothing in that story about a strict upbringing by conservative religious parents.
Where did you get those "facts" from ?
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Originally Posted by wrench409
Instead of citing statistics, spewing studies of this and that, pointing to a state and blaming it, condemning the conservative political sway.........
Why don't we focus on the crime? He did it, arrest, try and convict him.
No 'study' or statistic is going to satisfy justice, only detract from it.
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Originally Posted by wrench409
This is an example of 'liberal projection'. It's taught in all the schools now.
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Originally Posted by A&M_Indie_08
Man, you are sure full of hate lately.....
What happened, did a priest take your candy as a baby......?
Nothing about religion on here.... so crawl back into your den
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Originally Posted by JasonF
This thread makes absolutely no sense.
The OP knows nothing about this man's background. There's nothing in the article to give any credence to the OP's claims. And the replies from the opening poster make even less sense than the opening post itself.
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Originally Posted by 3~Shepherds
Sure she does, he's a man, he's white, he must be a Christian...............cause he "preys" on the elderly and if you dig deep enough he probably divorced his wife after beating her.
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Originally Posted by hawkeye2009
WOW. And just how does this relate to conservatives? I see nearly ALL THE CRIMES IN AMERICA committed by men and women...
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Originally Posted by Wyndsong71
Do you have a better to link to what you, in particular are talking about? No where in the link that you provided did it say anything about the mans up bringing, let along who that relates to the case at hand.
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Originally Posted by Wyndsong71
So I'd say you've got about a 50/50 chance of this guy or the other one being a Dem! But keep trying, you're doing a great job of representing..... what, exactly I"m not sure.
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Originally Posted by andywire
This must be some kind of joke. This lady has clearly lost here marbles.
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Originally Posted by uggabugga
Just more of the usual stream-of-(un)conciousness crazed babble.
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Originally Posted by djacques
I don't like religion, "conservatives" or West Virginia but you can find some crime committed in any state to purport to prove any nutty thing you wish. You have zero evidence of how this character was raised.
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Originally Posted by Mr. Joshua
I have a feeling that it's a family member of hers.
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Originally Posted by Wynternight
I've seen CD libs make some enormous stretches before in their seething hatred of all things conservative but this one takes the cake, beats it with a stick, rifles its money for loose change and drops the body in a dark alley.
Someone must be off their meds.
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Originally Posted by Quick Enough
Shall we list ALL the dems that are in jail?
Thread fail.
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Originally Posted by unicane
LOL @ OP getting her assumptions and conjecture crammed down her throat
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Originally Posted by KUchief25
I haven't seen this much foaming at the mouth since Cujo.
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Originally Posted by Mr. Joshua
And that was a bad movie!
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Originally Posted by Loveshiscountry
Taking? You mean stealing from me in order to further someones elses causes all at the expense of my causes. When you count on an oligarchy to spend your money wisely, you've already lost the battle. When you rob from Peter to pay Paul you can always count on Pauls cooperation.
People have relied on government to raise themselves from cradle to grave instead of society. Society has a role and it doesn't grow through force and coercion.
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Originally Posted by 3~Shepherds
Liberal motto........we don't care how many of the above^^ you are we just need your vote.............I hear this from Kirsten Powers we represent the poor people and the blacks HUH!! Like these people are their property or right to passage.............
Next they'll be getting tattooed like cattle so we know who they belong too.
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Originally Posted by OICU812
You lefties are really out to lunch. you have these strawmen whose necks you hang all your absurd stereotypes around, full of crap you think conservatives are all about, and then you parade these strawmen around as if you really have some proof. you're like a pervert with his plastic blow-up love doll, who thinks it just like a real woman.
How in the world can theft, robbery, coercion and bullying be equated to the conservative ideology??
Some interesting posts in this thread. the initial story is certainly about the dredges of society. DC has a good query as to why the judge seemed compassionate to a man that offered none to his victims. Does the conservative nature of the area offer tolerance to this behavior? I'm not making an assumption but it makes one wonder.
HL made the point about white collar crimes.... Is there a responsibility of people in companies that produce products meant for the sole purpose of killing? When it is our companies we easily dismiss the thought, with justifications.... they are asked by the gov to make these weapons..and so forth...
Did we have the same apathy for Bayer when they made ovens to eradicate the jews and millions of others (it annoys me that the 5 million are ignored as if their plight was somehow different than the 6 million jews.)
So when we had companies which approved of the racial profiling and contributed towards the end is that not accountable?
I agree that this isn't clearly a case of conservative up bringing, though that might be a strong possibility. It is more likely the attitude towards compassion towards this Dbag... Not too liberal of me... but I can't stand opportunists.... might be why I dislike the Bush's so much...
Well the bright lining may be that this twit may be 75 when he gets out and perhaps Karma will catch up to him.
You can only lie to yourself so far denying that laws have been stacked in favor of the predator class at the expense of all others.
LMAO Say anything, spew anything the facts be damned. It is YOU that believes in crony capitalism. It is YOU that believes in government preying on the working class and bailing out their buddies. You can lie to yourself and claim that your way of crony capitalism works but the proof is in the pudding. Your way of government force and coercion while manipulating the economy has never worked in the long run, history has shown us that.
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Originally Posted by harborlady
At the expense of the constitution, and the expense of all worthy of defense.
I'm not the one putting the big government manipulators in power, you are. You're not making sense once again.
Willful ignorance is plaguing conservative thinking and derailing America as we know it deliberately. It's abundantly clear in this forum (for years, not a day or two) and this very thread is not an exception. Back to what you had said earlier about conservative rhetoric misrepresenting you: I offer you direct evidence below of the mentality that has corrupted conservative principles from within.
Examine the posts and show me where any one of these individuals actually engaged the topic in earnest without turning discourse into a peeing contest. Who among them opened their eyes and minds to the plight of Appalachia- historic and ongoing present tense. Ask yourself what it is these people are defending, and what is it they're all too willing to ignore or exploit for the purpose of scoring political points via mis attributed blame. They're slaves to appearances and sweep this entire state under a rug unless there's something in it for them (cheap coal). They outright ignored every single bit of evidence I've presented and reverted back to a cartoon narrative they've been sold for centuries.
What is it that these individuals contribute to in the categories of insight and solutions for Appalachia? Zero at best. The rest= Shoot the messenger negativity. Personal attacks. Defense of vanity at the expense of truth. One of the poorest states in America is being blamed for what is their own local misery in Texas, NC, Oregon whatnot, and their notion of solution is to neglect by avoidance/denial and abuse even more. These people imply or claim to be Christian but they embody anti christian in their words and unwillingness to accept responsibility for their deeds as a working definition of their 'rights'. Is this the same mentality of adults who ran over your bicycle? People who are all too happy to sell children and call it entrepreneurship. Diminish the worth of all others around them as a means of feeling taller at the expense of all worthy of defense is a theme that destroys their own communities. All scapegoated on liberals, illegals, my half of the species, gays, commies, pinkos, socialists, dems, moderates, blue state economic engines, and anything else that fails to be them.
They're not here to solve anything, Tin. They're the equivalent of drunks showing up to a 12 step meeting trolling for drinking buddies.
Understood okay for you to do it, not okay for others. More hypocrisy from someone who redefines what a conservative is in order to fit a twisted agenda.
Yet your answers are for more of the same that squashed the economy. More government manipulation is not the answer when that is the problem.
Willful ignorance is plaguing conservative thinking and derailing America as we know it deliberately.
All you have is a story about a man who acted like a monster, you call him a "conservative" and you expect any of us to offer to engage you in a discussion? Everything you write is a figment of your own imagination, a twisted, distorted, paranoid and unrealistic view of reality. Even the title of this thread "conservative authoritarian" is a contradiction, but you have so twisted and distorted your little strawman that you can't even see it.
So, no. I'm not going to even bother to discuss the issues with you until you come back down to earth, and start talking rationally.
This thread is too ridiculous to even comment on..
Yup, it's like cartoon theater, so far removed from reality that you get a headache just trying to figure out what the hell she is talking about.
I just put her on my ignore list. She is the only one on the list, so she and her strawmen can have the whole place to themselves.
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But keep trying, you're doing a great job of representing..... what, exactly I"m not sure.
