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Isn't it rather counter-intuitive as well as counter-productive to levy a penalty tax on those people who already can't afford to buy health insurance?
If you worked at a good job on an oil rig in the Gulf of Mexico, but because of Obama's 30 year moratorium on off-shore drilling, you lost your job and your benefits, what sense does it make to TAX you?
It's bad enough that Obama's policies caused you to lose your income. But Obama rubs salt in the wound by then taxing you because you can no longer afford health insurance.
Actually, if you're demonstrably poor enough, you will be exempt from the tax. That's written into the law.
The law makes a number of exemptions for low-income persons and hardship cases.
“Individuals who cannot afford coverage”: If an employer offers coverage that would cost the employee more than 8 percent of his or her household income (for self-only coverage) that individual is exempt from the tax.
“Taxpayers with income below filing threshold”: Also exempt are those who earn too little to be required to file tax returns. For 2011 — as previously mentioned — those thresholds were $9,500 for a single person under age 65, and $19,000 for a married person filing jointly with a spouse, for example. The thresholds go up each year in line with inflation, so those cut-offs will be higher in 2014, when the tax first takes effect.
“Hardships”: The Secretary of Health and Human Services is empowered to exempt others that she or he determines to “have suffered a hardship with respect to the capability to obtain coverage.”
Other exemptions: Also exempt are members of Indian tribes, persons with only brief gaps in coverage, and members of certain religious groups currently exempt from Social Security taxes (which as we’ve previously reported are chiefly Anabaptist — that is, Mennonite, Amish or Hutterite).
If you had educated yourself a bit, you could have avoided ignorance and produced an argument for or against the law based on real things.
Since I have just proven you wrong, this thread is now worthless and can be safely abandoned.
Isn't it rather counter-intuitive as well as counter-productive to levy a penalty tax on those people who already can't afford to buy health insurance?
If you worked at a good job on an oil rig in the Gulf of Mexico, but because of Obama's 30 year moratorium on off-shore drilling, you lost your job and your benefits, what sense does it make to TAX you?
It's bad enough that Obama's policies caused you to lose your income. But Obama rubs salt in the wound by then taxing you because you can no longer afford health insurance.
They already are taxing poor people without employer provided health insurance.
If you have employer provided health insurance your taxable income is lowered by the amount of the health insurance you pay.
People who work for companies that don't offer health insurance don't have their taxable income lowered and they pay higher taxes as a result. Lower income people are more likely to work for an employer that doesn't provide employer health insurance.
If you have employer provided health insurance your taxable income is lowered by the amount of the health insurance you pay.
You may be onto something... as companies have dropped health insurance over the years, they have used "the savings" to increase the incomes of these poor people.
If you had educated yourself a bit, you could have avoided ignorance and produced an argument for or against the law based on real things.
You didn't answer the OP's question. You posted the rules, but that doesn't explain how somebody making $15,000 will be able to pay the Obamacare penalty / tax.
You didn't answer the OP's question. You posted the rules, but that doesn't explain how somebody making $15,000 will be able to pay the Obamacare penalty / tax.
And y'all have been crying about it because you don't have the explanation. Right?
If you had educated yourself a bit, you could have avoided falling under this false impression and creating and unnecessarily inaccurate thread.
But I was just told by another Liberal that:
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Well, right now folks are getting freebie healthcare through Medicaid.
Folks who do not qualify for Medicaid just don't go to the doctor. They end up in ERs with life threatening illnesses and then can't pay the bill.
This way, folks who qualify for Medicaid still get it, and those that don't qualify will at least have to pay SOMETHING into the system to cover a bit of the cost that state and federal government have to pick up when they go into the hospital and can't pay and end up declaring bankruptcy and losing every last penny they own.
Seems fair to me.
Now I see that people who already pay NO TAXES will continue to drain our system by getting completely free health care and the rest of us taxpayers will get stuck with the bill. And, there will be millions MORE draining the system without any penalty at all.
...and this is going to save the USA money somehow????
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Originally Posted by Roadking2003 You didn't answer the OP's question. You posted the rules, but that doesn't explain how somebody making $15,000 will be able to pay the Obamacare penalty / tax.
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And y'all have been crying about it because you don't have the explanation. Right?
Well, at least someone attempted to answer .......which is more than you did just going along with something you didn't even understand.
OK...but they have no money. How can they afford to pay the tax? Is Obama going to be able to squeeze blood from a turnip? I know he said he'd fix the Earth already, but do you think he can somehow force people with no money to pay a tax? Or do they all just end up going to jail?
There are subsidies in the bill based off income qualifications.
Now I see that people who already pay NO TAXES will continue to drain our system by getting completely free health care and the rest of us taxpayers will get stuck with the bill. And, there will be millions MORE draining the system without any penalty at all.
...and this is going to save the USA money somehow????
Unless you make over something like 78,000 per year, you aren't getting "stuck" with anything. It's those of us making more than that that are getting saddled with the bill.
Sorry, but knowing what I know of you, I find it highly unlikely you're over that threshold.
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