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Yes, and the large majority of us individuals in this society think that paying some taxes for things produced by government like police, fire trucks, military, roads, etc. is perfectly reasonable. In fact, the large majority of people in every functional nation on earth think this is perfectly reasonable. If you are among the .00001% of the human population who doesn't, then I think your only option will be to go somewhere else and start your own society.
See this is exactly what I am talking about. If you think for one second ambient that even 1/10th of your tax dollars are actually used to fund those things then you're an ignorant fool of the highest order.
See this is exactly what I am talking about. If you think for one second ambient that even 1/10th of your tax dollars are actually used to fund those things then you're an ignorant fool of the highest order.
I didn't say that. I only said that the tax rate should not be 0%, which is what the other poster was arguing.
If our system weren't so corrupt and ammoral I'd have no problem paying taxes because I'd know that my money would be going to directly fund things that benefited myself and/or my fellow citizens with a genuine need for a little help. Since this is not even remotely how our current system works I will continue to rant and rave about paying taxes and I guess be called a right wing nut because I'm not as enlightened as my counterparts on the left who fully understand the completely altruistic intentions and actions of the federal government.
Yes, and the large majority of us individuals in this society think that paying some taxes for things produced by government like police, fire trucks, military, roads, etc. is perfectly reasonable. In fact, the large majority of people in every functional nation on earth think this is perfectly reasonable. If you are among the .00001% of the human population who doesn't, then I think your only option will be to go somewhere else and start your own society.
All of those things cost less than $1 trillion a year. Expenditures are $4 trillion. Hence the outrage.
You are all free to pay for this mismanaged and outrageously oversized government if you wish... That is your perogative. As for me, I will continue to invest in my business and will keep my profits at basic zero, until such time as the federal government makes a good faith effort to get rid of it's overspending. When they stop wasting my tax dollars and encouraging lazyness, then and only then will I once again begin to pay taxes to the federal government. Change the tax code, and I will simply move the rest of my funds... I will pay NOTHING and I encourage all of you to do the same.
Yes everyone should contribute...including the 50% who currently pay no income tax. I would get rid of child tax credits (not deductions but credits). They are the main reason we have so many non-tax payers these days.
Nearly 100 million Americans receiving some sort of check from the government indicates to me that my share of the tax burden is much too high. It is not a matter of how much I pay, but how little I receive back for what I am currently paying. Until I see the number of people not paying any federal income tax decrease from the current all time high of 45 percent I shall do everything possible to pay less in taxes.
Curious as to why the OP only mentions the right having a problem with paying taxes, unless this was just a troll thread. Many of those on the left use deductions quite frequently (and legally) to decrease their tax burden. Gates gives away money to charity rather than have the US govt be in charge in of it. Of course some like Buffett like to grandstand about how they aren't paying their "fair share" while contesting IRS audits.
IMO if you are legally able to take a deduction, then take it. If you have a sense of moral ambiguity about it, then take the money you were going to send to the IRS if not for that deduction and give it to an organization that could be a better steward for the money. This is an especially helpful maneuver for those who think the govt isn't doing enough to help the poor or whatever cause you believe in. Bypass the govt and give your money directly to the cause.
This used to be taught in civics classes. I'm not sure how often it is taught anymore.
Is there a point at which using so many deductions and loopholes lowers your tax burden to a level that it represents "shirking" your duties as a taxpayer? I suspect this will be the central issue when Mitt finally relents and releases his tax returns. It sounds as if his 2009 returns will probably be the most damaging.
The right may have a bit of a problem with this issue. They're fond of stating that half the country "pays no taxes." Now, of course that's a patently false statement that doesn't even pass the giggle test, but there is an admirable principle underneath: We all should be expected to contribute to the maintenance of our various levels of government. Now, many of them argue we should all pay the same rate on our income taxes. If it turns out that Mitt, when you adjust for all the loopholes, deductions and tax havens, paid a disproportionately small percentage, it will be difficult for them to defend that, given their rhetoric regarding percentages in the past. If the debate casts his supporters in a libertarian light, which essentially holds that one should try every legal twist and turn possible to avoid paying taxes, I don't think it will benefit them politically.
Yes, and the large majority of us individuals in this society think that paying some taxes for things produced by government like police, fire trucks, military, roads, etc. is perfectly reasonable. In fact, the large majority of people in every functional nation on earth think this is perfectly reasonable. If you are among the .00001% of the human population who doesn't, then I think your only option will be to go somewhere else and start your own society.
Nobody has a problem paying taxes for fire, police, military, roads etc. that you keep spouting about. What we do have a problem with is seeing tax dollars wasted away on things like the stimulous and hundreds of other pork barrel projects. Did you look at the link I posted earlier that lists all the government agencies? How many of those overlap. How much money is wasted. I'm not even mentioning the rampant fraud that goes on in the social programs that people take from and give nothign back. Your ridiculous notion that folks who don't want to use things paid for by taxes is beyond reason because if everybody who pays taxes thought that way and did leave where would that leave the other half that pays none?? Probably screaming not fair. Our tax dollars are paying people to not work. That is absolutely ridiculous.
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