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Old 10-01-2012, 03:29 PM
 
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Well, well, well..... Just darn sad! Isn't this Gov control over a persons healthcare called RATIONING!!!!!!!!!!!


PHILADELPHIA (CBS) — Medicare was set to begin fining hospitals on Monday that have too many senior patients readmitted within 30 days. The move is part of a government effort to improve health care quality while saving taxpayers money.

Medicare To Fine Hospitals With High Readmission Rates Among Seniors. « CBS Philly
Naah, rationing is when you cede control of your medical care to an HMO that decides whether you get treatment or not. You've had rationing, in one form or another, for decades.
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Old 10-01-2012, 03:30 PM
 
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Well, well, well..... Just darn sad! Isn't this Gov control over a persons healthcare called RATIONING!!!!!!!!!!!


PHILADELPHIA (CBS) — Medicare was set to begin fining hospitals on Monday that have too many senior patients readmitted within 30 days. The move is part of a government effort to improve health care quality while saving taxpayers money.

Medicare To Fine Hospitals With High Readmission Rates Among Seniors. « CBS Philly
Naah, rationing is when you cede control of your medical care to an HMO that decides whether you get treatment or not. You've had rationing, in one form or another, for decades. Does it really make a huge difference to the poor sick person WHO'S denying them care? NOPE!
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Old 10-01-2012, 03:34 PM
 
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Well, well, well..... Just darn sad! Isn't this Gov control over a persons healthcare called RATIONING!!!!!!!!!!!
Actually, rationing started when medical care was restricted to the people with money or insurance.

Or seniors, veterans and the ones who qualify for medicare. All of which are rationing systems, designed to provide health care to only the ones they approve of.

In fact, America is so crazy for rationing, the amount of money invested in gatekeeping to keep people from health care is probably more than it would cost to expand Medicare or VHA to cover everyone.

That is why America has the harshest rationing in the developed world.
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Old 10-01-2012, 03:37 PM
 
Location: Home, Home on the Front Range
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Well, well, well..... Just darn sad! Isn't this Gov control over a persons healthcare called RATIONING!!!!!!!!!!!


PHILADELPHIA (CBS) — Medicare was set to begin fining hospitals on Monday that have too many senior patients readmitted within 30 days. The move is part of a government effort to improve health care quality while saving taxpayers money.

Medicare To Fine Hospitals With High Readmission Rates Among Seniors. « CBS Philly

How is it rationing?

Bottom line:

"Hospitals have had little financial incentive to ensure patients get the care they need once they leave, and in fact they benefit financially when patients don’t recover and return for more treatment."

Medicare To Penalize 2,211 Hospitals For Excess Readmissions - Kaiser Health News

I suppose it would be better to just keep paying them for less than adequate care?
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Old 10-01-2012, 04:18 PM
 
Location: Stuck in NE GA right now
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The only problem I see is once the patient leaves the hospital they have no control over the patient if they are being compliant with meds, therapy, dr. office visits etc. that can often be the case. I foresee, more sub-accute facilities popping up to send these patients too in order to get them farther down the road to compliance issues.
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Old 10-01-2012, 04:22 PM
 
Location: San Francisco
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How is it rationing?

Bottom line:

"Hospitals have had little financial incentive to ensure patients get the care they need once they leave, and in fact they benefit financially when patients don’t recover and return for more treatment."

I suppose it would be better to just keep paying them for less than adequate care?
In fact, this particular provision of Obamacare is the very OPPOSITE of rationing. It encourages hospitals to provide adequate care instead of discharging patients prematurely so they can profit even more by readmitting them later.

But as usual in the black-is-white world of the RWNJ, truth means very little and everything Obama does is proof of ultimate evil.
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Old 10-01-2012, 04:50 PM
 
Location: Illinois
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As if insurance premiums and hospital costs are not high enough, who do you think will be paying for these fines? You are right!
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Old 10-01-2012, 05:19 PM
 
Location: San Francisco
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As if insurance premiums and hospital costs are not high enough, who do you think will be paying for these fines? You are right!
If only there were some way for hospitals to avoid paying them.
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Old 10-01-2012, 05:45 PM
 
Location: Great State of Texas
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No way will they get to 0 readmissions.
Reduced payments and $125K per readmittance.

Hospitals' Readmissions Rates Not Budging - Kaiser Health News
The most recent rates are based on readmissions spanning July 2008 through the end of June 2011. The Medicare data published Thursday on its Hospital Compare website showed that 19.7 percent of heart attack patients were readmitted within 30 days of discharge, a drop of only 0.1 percentage point from the previous year’s figures, which were based on the years 2007 through 2010. The data show that 24.7 percent of heart failure patients were readmitted, also a 0.1 point decrease. Pneumonia readmissions actually increased by 0.1 percentage points, to 18.5 percent of all Medicare pneumonia patients.
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Old 10-01-2012, 05:47 PM
 
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I was wondering why they were pushing us to get my dad into an assisted living rehab facility, on Friday.
Sorry to hear of it Bent Bow... Nothing political here just sorry to hear of your loss... mac
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