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In a pluralistic America, every school should be free to teach religious truth as determined by its own school board.
In other words, government should be free to take sides and choose an appropriate state (or county, or town) religion, implicitly rejecting all others along with secularism.
I say lets follow your educational curriculum in this country. We will have no Physics, biology, or any other science that proves God wrong!
We then will have to find the proper professionals to build our planes, make our computers, perform our medical work, design our buildings & bridges, create our electricity, etc etc from Asia and Europe! You know countries that believe in properly educating their children that sciencey stuff and are getting WAY ahead of us in terms of education and productivity.
Just a point: science does not prove GOD wrong, in fact in my point of view it only shows how wonderous His works truely are. But that is a belief and since it is not science should not be taught in public schools other that how it applies to history.
I say lets follow your educational curriculum in this country. We will have no Physics, biology, or any other science that proves God wrong!
We then will have to find the proper professionals to build our planes, make our computers, perform our medical work, design our buildings & bridges, create our electricity, etc etc from Asia and Europe! You know countries that believe in properly educating their children that sciencey stuff and are getting WAY ahead of us in terms of education and productivity.
Just a point: science does not prove GOD wrong, in fact in my point of view it only shows how wonderous His works truely are. But that is a belief and since it is not science should not be taught in public schools other that how it applies to history.
As an agnostic I agree. I meant in terms of the Christian White Haired dude on a cloud.
Anyways, true science is the build up of knowledge through the scientific method for over a thousands of years. Science, unlike religion, tests itself, and tries to prove it's self wrong. This is the science that I want my son to learn. Not science based on faith.
The argument that evolution does not prove where life began means nothing. The simple fact that evolution to our society's recent scientific understanding is the most right. Such as Newton Physics. It sure has never been proved wrong. I can drop a 25 pound weight 200 ft from the ground and calculate the force that will created and it will be the same everywhere across the Earth. It doesn't prove what happened before the big bang, but I still think it is proper for every child to learn that.
There you go. All of this just proves my point: government cannot be neutral when it comes to religion. Public schools are a good example. Any school has to choose what to teach with respect to the creation/evolution controversy, and in so choosing it takes a position for or against religious teaching. That isn't neutrality. Let's drop the charade, I say.
The best way to be neutral is to take the most logical and scientifically based ideas and teach them. Science isn't a religion, the theory of evolution isn't a religious belief, it's a scientific theory. Creationism is a religious belief, so to be neutral, it is only logical for the government and our education systems to choose one backed by science and not by faith. People don't believe in evolution, they understand how evolution works.
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As to the specific question of what to teach .... schools are charged with imparting actual knowledge to students. Evolution has a place in that, because it makes an argument that is widely accepted - but it should not be taught as the exalted fairy tale it has become which supposedly explains human origins and even life itself. Furthermore, contrary to what some very smart and well-meaning people believe, knowledge is not limited to the physical or material world. Religion imparts knowledge when it imparts the truth about life in a reasonable way. In a pluralistic America, every school should be free to teach religious truth as determined by its own school board. Those who disagree can form another school or homeschool, as we have done and would probably do no matter what the local schools were teaching.
No, we need to teach facts. Just because a subject is too difficult for you to comprehend based on your religious beliefs, does not mean you should be able to force other people to not learn that subject. If we did what you proposed and stared up schools to teach various "theories" we would have 20+ schools in school districts teaching various contradicting subjects. Then we would have to change college entrance exams to pander to various beliefs, in doing so no answer could possibly be considered wrong as religious beliefs vary from person to person. Soon you will have people saying 2+2=1, 2+2=22, 2+2=5, 2+2=3.14159265358979323846264338327950288419716939 93751058209749445923078164062862089986280348253421 170679 82148086513282306647093844609550582231725359408128 48111745028410270193852110555964462294895493038196 44288109756659334461284756482337867831652712019091 45648566923460348610454326648213393607260249141273 72458700660631558817488152092096282925409171536436 7892590360011330530548820466521384146951941511609.
So essentially you're right, when it comes to the public education system there can't have religious neutrality and teach religious beliefs. You have to disregard them all in place of science. You want to teach your religious beliefs, start a private school and teach whatever illogical things you want.
In other words, government should be free to take sides and choose an appropriate state (or county, or town) religion, implicitly rejecting all others ...
Not in my country.
It already does. In your country. That state religion is Secularism, "implicitly rejecting all others".
LOL. Many of those in the wikipedia page were persecuted by the Catholic church for their science. They are scientist in the 1600-1700 hundreds that were forced to belong to the church at the time and had to be prosecuted for their work in science. Good try.
Just a point: science does not prove GOD wrong, in fact in my point of view it only shows how wonderous His works truely are. But that is a belief and since it is not science should not be taught in public schools other that how it applies to history.
Casper. I have to say, that's kind of how I look at it!
I posted this in another thread but I think it is relevent in this thread.
The guiding question for humans will always be, "Did God create humans, Or did humans create God?" There are valid arguments for both sides of the question. Having decided to follow the path of Buddhism after my fourth tour of duty in Vietnam, I tend to believe the latter, as over the millenium, humans have tended to use the name of God for their own personal and national enrichment rather than for their spiritual enlightenment.
It already does. In your country. That state religion is Secularism, "implicitly rejecting all others".
1. Secularism isn't a "religion" -- it's the absence of religion. There's a fundamental difference.
2. Not favoring any religion does not equate to "rejecting all religions."
If your town were suddenly taken over by Muslims who demanded (and got) permission to teach the Koran in all public schools, would you meekly accept that, or would you forfeit your own rights as a taxpayer to have your children educated in the public schools you pay for?
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Your arguments are just silly. Seriously.
