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Old 09-21-2012, 10:02 PM
 
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Well I don't know how many times we told you coal haters that once they got done with coal they would move right on to nat gas. Well here it comes. I guess many don't really care how much folks electricity bills are as long as it comes from solar and wind. I get tired of being right all the time but common sense alone leads you to that. Too bad the global warming cult doesn't have any.

"PITTSBURGH (AP) — More than 100 protests against the natural gas drilling process known as fracking are scheduled to take place around the world on Saturday, building on public concerns but also using an overly simplified message to spur outrage.
The GlobalFrackdown website and campaign was developed by Food & Water Watch, a Washington, D.C. nonprofit that was once part of Ralph Nader's Public Citizen group. The campaign claims that fracking "has already damaged communities and ruined lives. It pollutes water and makes people sick."
Scientists disagree on the risks of fracking, a process that injects large volumes of water, sand and chemicals underground to break rock apart and free the gas. The U.S. Environmental Protection Agency and many state regulators, however, say that fracking can be done safely. The American Lung Association says natural gas has helped reduce air pollution as many dirtier coal-fired power plants shift to natural gas.
The immense volumes of natural gas found in formations of shale rock around the country has spurred a boom in natural gas production that has been credited with creating jobs and lowering prices for industry and consumers.
The Frackdown campaign doesn't mention the differing opinions over risks or any benefits of fracking.
Mark Schlosberg, the national organizing director for Food & Water Watch, said supporters of the campaign are concerned about access to safe drinking water now and in the future. And some people simply don't want fracking in their communities, he said.
"The message is, we need to ban fracking," he said. "We think fracking is just another way to produce dirty fossil fuels."


Global protests planned over gas drilling process - Yahoo! News
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Old 09-21-2012, 11:17 PM
 
Location: On the "Left Coast", somewhere in "the Land of Fruits & Nuts"
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Well I don't know how many times we told you coal haters that once they got done with coal they would move right on to nat gas. Well here it comes. I guess many don't really care how much folks electricity bills are as long as it comes from solar and wind. I get tired of being right all the time but common sense alone leads you to that. Too bad the global warming cult doesn't have any.

"PITTSBURGH (AP) — More than 100 protests against the natural gas drilling process known as fracking are scheduled to take place around the world on Saturday, building on public concerns but also using an overly simplified message to spur outrage.
The GlobalFrackdown website and campaign was developed by Food & Water Watch, a Washington, D.C. nonprofit that was once part of Ralph Nader's Public Citizen group. The campaign claims that fracking "has already damaged communities and ruined lives. It pollutes water and makes people sick."
Scientists disagree on the risks of fracking, a process that injects large volumes of water, sand and chemicals underground to break rock apart and free the gas. The U.S. Environmental Protection Agency and many state regulators, however, say that fracking can be done safely. The American Lung Association says natural gas has helped reduce air pollution as many dirtier coal-fired power plants shift to natural gas.
The immense volumes of natural gas found in formations of shale rock around the country has spurred a boom in natural gas production that has been credited with creating jobs and lowering prices for industry and consumers.
The Frackdown campaign doesn't mention the differing opinions over risks or any benefits of fracking.
Mark Schlosberg, the national organizing director for Food & Water Watch, said supporters of the campaign are concerned about access to safe drinking water now and in the future. And some people simply don't want fracking in their communities, he said.
"The message is, we need to ban fracking," he said. "We think fracking is just another way to produce dirty fossil fuels."
Global protests planned over gas drilling process - Yahoo! News
If it's so "safe", how come the industry has been fighting tooth and nail against disclosing the chemicals they use and pump into the ground?

Doctors fight “gag orders” over fracking chemicals
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Old 09-21-2012, 11:22 PM
 
Location: CA
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Do you want the lights on, or not? (LOL) Well, the solar may keep them flickering during the daytime - oh, that's right, we only need lights at night. Back to the drawing board.... :-D
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Old 09-21-2012, 11:29 PM
 
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did you factor this into you cost benefit analysis


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Old 09-21-2012, 11:45 PM
 
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Nothing is safe. Hell when we get back to whaling these folks will complain because the spears are too sharp.
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Old 09-21-2012, 11:51 PM
 
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The EPA already passed regs back in April to burn of or now capture the gas that is released. The Sierra Club was all happy about that and all "green" and all. Of course at the end of this article we have this..........

""The rules seem like a step in the right direction," said environmental engineer Allen Robinson of Carnegie-Mellon University in Pittsburgh. "Other pollutants need to be looked at, particularly ones associated with ozone."

Translation...........we won't stop until they either pay their "fair" share or are shut down. People dying from not being able to afford their heat bill in the winter. Tough. We are saving the planet whether it needs saving or not.

EPA issues air pollution rules for fracking wells
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Old 09-21-2012, 11:53 PM
 
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We got Volts and Fiskers blowing up but the greenies don't care. I guess you get a pass if you claim to be saving the world even though in reality your just stealing taxpayer money.
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Old 09-21-2012, 11:54 PM
 
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I grew up in washington state home of the makah indians and they are whalers I live in alaska where the yupik whale aswell. Whaling when done for subsistence is ethical whaling for profit is not. Fracking for subsistence is ethical fracking for profit is not.
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Old 09-22-2012, 12:13 AM
 
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If it's so "safe", how come the industry has been fighting tooth and nail against disclosing the chemicals they use and pump into the ground?
Because they have spent years developing the "recipe". Its proprietary. If you were going to require Microsoft to turn over propitiatory code to a security company do you think a NDA is bad idea? The largest issue so far is contamination on the surface. They have containment dams near the pads before shipping it off for treatment and some have broke. The fluid i very high in salt which of course is not good for plants and aquatic life.

As far as the ground water goes I have yet to see any test results that showed issues where they have tested the water beforehand ad have found any significant increases in contaminants.

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Old 09-22-2012, 12:13 AM
 
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That makes no sense. We frack because the coal plants have been shut down. You have heard of electricity right? Maybe you don't use it up in Washington but most do.
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