A new look at Obamacare by a medical doctor (Putin, illegal aliens, death)

[Memphis1979]

Originally Posted by roysoldboy

Nothing at all partisan about someone who links The New Republic. I rank it just below The Nation in the area of socialist thinking. I did read the article though and learned that these two people are the head people in that group that has all the doctors who believe in Obamacare. One of them is even a physician and the other social worker.

Anyway, I wonder how many people they would say belong to AMA. Dr. Vecchio says about 14% of this nation's doctors belong to that bunch. I think that she and they may have an outstanding argument till they admitted to having more members, by far, than AMA.

I read yours and now it is time for you to return the favor and watch mine.

All I did was google "Doctors like Obamacare"

Got about a 50/50 split in responses of those that do, and those that don't.

Roy, I watched the video, as I said, the same arguments I've heard a thousand times. "It'll cause doctor shortages" "No one will take medicare patients"

Big two.

[roysoldboy]

Originally Posted by Memphis1979

All I did was google "Doctors like Obamacare"

Got about a 50/50 split in responses of those that do, and those that don't.

Roy, I watched the video, as I said, the same arguments I've heard a thousand times. "It'll cause doctor shortages" "No one will take medicare patients"

Big two.

As a Medicare patient who is often embarrassed at what Medicare pays compared to what insurance companies pay for the some procedures I think I have an idea what happens once IPAB takes over and decides who does and does not get care. I am very much against Obamacare from knowing how much money they are taking from Medicare to use on the rest of Obamacare. Poor old Joe (The Condescender) Biden said last night they are taking the money from Medicare to pay for Medicare and we all know that you can only spend money once.

I am sure that you don't consider IPAB to be a form of death panel but I do and so do all the doctors at the clinic I go to. Also, Dr. Vecchio considers them to be that since women aren't allowed to have yearly checks for breast cancer. What happens if it hits during the one year they can't have the check?

Let me suggest that you can hear all seven of Dr. Vecchio's videos about Obamacare if you have the time. I will post the link to video 1 or the group in a bit.

[roysoldboy]

For those of you who care to hear what PPACA really is I suggest that you get right on it before the taxes to pay for it go into effect in January 2013 and the rest of the law goes into effect in 2014. You can hear her first video explaining about it and comparing how soon you can get care in the US, the UK, and Canada for various problems. She gets here information from the UN and that should be good enough for anybody.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U_O7XV3OpmU

[Memphis1979]

Originally Posted by roysoldboy

As a Medicare patient who is often embarrassed at what Medicare pays compared to what insurance companies pay for the some procedures I think I have an idea what happens once IPAB takes over and decides who does and does not get care. I am very much against Obamacare from knowing how much money they are taking from Medicare to use on the rest of Obamacare. Poor old Joe (The Condescender) Biden said last night they are taking the money from Medicare to pay for Medicare and we all know that you can only spend money once.

I am sure that you don't consider IPAB to be a form of death panel but I do and so do all the doctors at the clinic I go to. Also, Dr. Vecchio considers them to be that since women aren't allowed to have yearly checks for breast cancer. What happens if it hits during the one year they can't have the check?

Let me suggest that you can hear all seven of Dr. Vecchio's videos about Obamacare if you have the time. I will post the link to video 1 or the group in a bit.

Which is why my grandparents buy "supplemental" insurance.

But Ryan and Romney's plan talks for capping medicare payments for those that stay in. There is no difference between the candidates on this issue. Obamacare would put in place a panel of doctors to decide if the procedure is worth the cost that the hospital or doctor charges, and if they think its to much, they won't pay them more then what they think is fair.

Ryan/Romney's plan would cap medicare expenditures, offer a voucher, and if you opt back into medicare with your voucher then that payment to the doctor will still be capped at a "predefined level".

I'll be honest, if pre-existing conditions can't be discriminated against, then why do we need medicare? The reason it was created was because private insurers wouldn't cover seniors due to high risk. If they can't do that anymore, why is the program needed?

But people, the voter, 70% of Americans, hell 63% of Taxed Enough Already voters like medicare just the way it is. So it doesn't matter what you or I think about it, its not going to change.

[roysoldboy]

Originally Posted by Memphis1979

Which is why my grandparents buy "supplemental" insurance.

But Ryan and Romney's plan talks for capping medicare payments for those that stay in. There is no difference between the candidates on this issue. Obamacare would put in place a panel of doctors to decide if the procedure is worth the cost that the hospital or doctor charges, and if they think its to much, they won't pay them more then what they think is fair.

Ryan/Romney's plan would cap medicare expenditures, offer a voucher, and if you opt back into medicare with your voucher then that payment to the doctor will still be capped at a "predefined level".

I'll be honest, if pre-existing conditions can't be discriminated against, then why do we need medicare? The reason it was created was because private insurers wouldn't cover seniors due to high risk. If they can't do that anymore, why is the program needed?

But people, the voter, 70% of Americans, hell 63% of Taxed Enough Already voters like medicare just the way it is. So it doesn't matter what you or I think about it, its not going to change.

So you have studied the law and know more about it than Dr. Vecchio does? I can tell that by the way you show us that IPAB will be made up of doctors and I am pretty sure there won't be one on it. The good Dr.says that she sees nothing that will allow any one of those 15 people to be doctors. Actually, you know only what Democrats who don't know anything about what is actually there tell us. Once we get that law established and the IPAB declares any expenditure for most things Medicare does now for anyone over a certain age it will be too late to do anything about it.

As for the Romney desire he wants only to get this bad law repealed and then re-established by Congress in the proper method instead of having it written by only Democrats, labor leaders and insurance execs. You do know how that law got written?

Since the Supreme Court could only find the law constitutional by seeing it as a tax law I wonder about all the pages in the law and the pages of rules and regs that have been written to get it going I wonder if they won't blow it away when it gets to them again. Roberts said it had to be tax and he may come to his senses the next time he gets to rule on it.

[stevemorse]

Roy, add to that all the businesses that will be laying off people, cut out the health insurance or make them part timers and the whole Obama Care is a bad idea!! I hear and read all the Company owners who will be laying off people!!! Add to the Government payroll of more IRS workers and its still a bad idea!! More Government less choice!!

[shiphead]

Originally Posted by softblueyz

I have a picture of Venezuela in my mind.



Chavez ran against his opponent chanting "he's going to take your welfare away!!!". Yup, got him re-elected by people in government and the poor who don't want to give up their welfare for progress and work. Sound familiar??

I'm surprised Obama hasn't made that part of his platform. I can see why Chavez holds such a high esteem for Obama.

You sure this isn't a picture of a neighborhood in a red state? I know a few neighborhoods in the south and Arizona that look just like this.

[dr74]

Originally Posted by Ceece

I think she means "according to ME". Nobody is going to put Dr's in jail for giving a mamogram.

Nice...Exactly, she can be fined but I think what she considers worse? I performing a procedure and then not getting paid for it therefore her practice absorbs the cost..

Originally Posted by chica_bella813

Obamacare has helped tremendously and has regulated insurance companies (who pretty much run healthcare unfortunately) and has put more pressure on MD's to practice sound Evidence Based Practice. Ask your Internist about how HEDIS has been changed due to Obamacare. Without me saying much about my profession, Regardless to age, you will be thankful that healthcare can no longer be a free for all for profit in this country due to healthcare reform. I am glad that this law has been passed to regulate alot of things that were taking place behind the scenes in the healthcare industry.

Nicely stated...

Originally Posted by Priscilla151

Do you feel for all the uninsured who don't get diagnosed for many diseases because they can't afford insurance? Do you feel for all us tax payers paying for emergency room care for those without insurance? Do you feel for all those who can't get insurance because of pre-existing conditions?

exactly..

Originally Posted by OhioIstheBest

Total nonsense. People that go to the er without insurance pay for it themselves.

And if they can't (or won't) pay the hospital eats the cost.

Taxpayers don't pick up the tab for other bills people don't pay. Why are people dopey enough to think the taxpayer pays for unpaid hospital bills?

lol...Do your homework prior to posting "total nonsense"

"Those costs have prompted financially strapped hospitals to rely on a complex system of shifting costs. Most of the burden falls on taxpayers, with the government providing tens of billions of dollars annually to help hospitals care for the uninsured. Privately insured Americans also pay a price as insurers raise premiums to reflect higher charges from hospitals."
This statement was retracted from this 2011 article..
Trauma in the ER: Who pays for the uninsured?

JUST THE FACTS..

ObamaCare Facts: Facts on the Obama Health Care Plan

Other Universal Health care models...wow, it seems as if our country is behind..
Where in the world can you get universal health care? - CNN.com
Cecilia Attias: Affordable Health Care Will Be Good for America
Healthy examples: Plenty of countries get healthcare right - The Boston Globe

I believe I have posted in this forum regarding Healthcare and ect but I could be wrong..

My two cents? The healthcare reform that has taken place already is helping many people not just the impoverished..
Obama has covered more children in this last 4 years than other president. These are the kids that fall between the cracks, the ones whose parents both work yet do not make enough money to cover their whole family medically.

“The working poor” They are the limbo class in this debate..The ones that are a hair above the poverty level and are not eligible for such county/government programs such as Medi-Cal or what is now called Cencal here in Ca at least nor are they eligible for “Healthy families” because they are above the eligibility bracket. What do these families do?

Also parents everywhere despite their income bracket are now able to have their “Adult” child covered under their medical plan per Obama, until the age of 25. I do not hear conservatives crying about this..

Obamacare has also placed stringent policies on private practices and private insurances in order to stop “Fraud” and costly uneeded diagnostic tests that are conducted yearly by Drs in order to get more money.

I see you most of you are non believers, including the OP..
I worked as a SX Coordinator for several years as well as was in charge of doing the coding ( Billing) for these private practices.
I have many friends in this industry as well as my ex husband who is an OR tech for the ER.

THE PRACTICES that often time occur are HIGHWAY ROBBERY.
How?
1. Drs. Asking their staff (coders) to bill for procedures that were not completed. I.e. claiming they performed a DX test which needs a certain machine and the DR does not even that machine in office.
2. Duplicating services. A patient is referred by a PCP AND THE specialist still orders a xray or MRI? These were already done and all that is needed is the ROI and for the tests to be sent over via fax.

Insurance companies are just as scandalous!
1. Not wanting to pay for a procedure that was completed after an auth was obtained? And the PCP was deemed in network? And the PCP did find that the patient needed this dx text completed and provided all paperwork and test with the determination/findings.

2. It has been established that a pt. needs a certain procedure done and this is allowable based on their private insurance plan, the dx tests have been done, the dr has stated the dx and submits it to the Insurance co?
Then the insurance co turns around and states that this procedure is not needed due to a minor discrepancy even though I myself have double and triple QA’d the docs myself.

The insurance co usually determines what is needed and when, they do not leave this decision to the MD’S they determine what they will pay and not pay for, it does not matter what the pt needs…

This is criminal.
The fact that Insurance hold most of the power as to how much certain procedures SHOULD cost and what they will cover! And the prices set are not determined by the DR but by the insurance companies themselves. Medical equipment costs, supplies, everything has a price and the DR does not determine this.

Obama is ensuring that affordable care is available to all in order to bring cost down. The insurance is no longer the ruler and middle man at the same time…
The conservative side has this theory that by making Insurance companies compete it will bring the prices down? Umm No, they all for profit, and they are the ones that offer prices to the MD’S to have them in their network..
This is a great example of an HMO..
Which states “If you are a part of network, we will tell you what you can do and cannot do, what a pt can have done and not have done and you will get a check every month for every pt in your practice regardless if they utilize your services OR not..
Which leaves millions uninsured and seeking help through CHC centers or the ER after the medical issue they have has been ongoing.

I.E. There is a man who has been having pains in his chest off and on for 6 months, it is not debilitating, the pain subsides after 7 minutes but during one of his “episodes” he is hurting and immobile.
One day the man collapses after doing yard work on a hot summer day and his family calls 911.
Let the price begin here…The ambulance trip 586-763..according to the ambulance association in the state of Ca depending where you reside..
The CARE RENDERED to stabilize him on his trip to the hospital being advanced cardiac life support? Around 5000.00 in Ca.

So PRIOR to getting to the Hospital which is called “Pre-hospital care” this man has already incurred around 5586-5763.00 even before getting to the hospital..

ER care for a victim of cardiac arrest that is uninsured? 10-14, 000.00 in Ca.
So the patient has now a bill of a total of around 15, 000.00 going with the cheapest number I found..

My point? Obamacare focuses on “Preventative care”
Which means that any AMERICAN has access to medical care if a issue should arise..
Now to the cognitively able person? This seems like a whole lot of common sense! But lately I have become convinced that “Common sense” is not so common.
Preventative care with the focus being on “PRE” means catching a potential condition in its early stages therefore making it more cost effective when the issue is in its early stages..
1. Heart conditions, most americans perish from myocardial infarctions on a grand scale. Should some of these folks had access to medical care? They would have been dx sooner, maybe with high BP ( Blood pressure) a murmur, artherosclerosis. Clogged arteries , high cholesterol, therefore allowing the MD to place them on meds..cutting down the costs of late stage issues and ER VISITS

Wow..TO THE OP…

[gomexico]

A better way to gauge these issues is to examine how physicians and the organizations which represent them actually behaved during last year’s health reform. One wouldn’t know from Pipes’ article that the American Medical Association, the American College of Physicians, the American Academy of Family Physicians, the American College of Surgeons, the American Academy of Pediatrics, the American Congress of Obstetricians and Gynecologists, the American Society of Anesthesiologists, the American Osteopathic Association, the American Psychiatric Association, and the American College of Cardiology all endorsed last year’s health reform. These groups represent hundreds of thousands of physicians across a wide range of medical sub-specialties.

Read more: Harold Pollack And Vivek Murthy: No, Doctors Don't Hate Obamacare | The New Republic#

[Katarina Witt]

Originally Posted by roysoldboy

When I noticed the date of your link I decided that the thing had exactly nothing at all to do with Obamacare since it came out in 2005.

Of course, you did watch Dr. Vecchio and hear what she said, right?

2005? Obama wasn't even elected until 2008. If the good doctor is complaining about stuff from 2005, she's complaining about a different administration.

I think the doctors you've been talking to are unprofessional. I work with 5 doctors, and they do not talk politics with the patients. If asked, they'd probably say, "We'll have to see what happens".