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Defense is a long time sacred cow. Defense contractors employ a heck of a lot of people.
Somewhere along the way, I acquired the percetion that some private companies were able to operate some prisons at less costs than the state did. No? Having said this, prisons directly or indirectly employ a heck of a lot of people, too.
Spending cuts means significant increases in unemployment and puts us on the accelerated path to another recession.
Increased unemployment means more people on unemployment, SNAP, Section 8, TANF and all the other welfare programs. It also means fewer people paying Payroll taxes which increases deficit spending on Social Security and Medicare.
The bipartisan Simpson-Bowles commission recognized this from the get go. Neither the President or Congress has supported the recommendations.
You actually can't get more people on section 8 because the number of vouchers is finite -- rather more people just go on the waiting list. And even not that necessarily because 95% of waiting lists are closed.
If section 8 were gone it would definitely hurt the middle class. Landlords who are getting high rents from the government for shoddy apartments would have to lower their rent.
I agree with the notion that welfare often just keeps people in a cycle of poverty, but ditching it altogether is not the solution. Rather it needs to be changed to give people an incentive to become self-sufficient. Section 8 has a program called "family self-sufficiency" which does help families get out of poverty -- if their income goes up over a five year period they receive money from an escrow account. I think this program should be required for anyone on section 8, and once you have graduated from it you should cease receiving section 8 (unless you're elderly or disabled.)
Private charities I don't think are equipped to handle feeding children year round. Right now they usually just have to fill the gaps -- winter and summer vacations, because most poor kids get free breakfast and lunch at school. Take away those free school meals and private charity now has to feed kids 12 months a year instead of 4. Would they just give each kid 1/3 less food?
we should get rid of corporate welfare of Defense Contractors. They are taking billions of dollars out of our budget. Welfare of private prison companies. That should be checked also. Republicans keep quiet about them-I wonder why???
Not true at all. I hear them talking about problems with corporate subsidies all the time. In fact, the Dems like corporate subsidies more than the Reps. Just look at GM and Solyndra.
Private charities I don't think are equipped to handle feeding children year round. Right now they usually just have to fill the gaps -- winter and summer vacations, because most poor kids get free breakfast and lunch at school. Take away those free school meals and private charity now has to feed kids 12 months a year instead of 4. Would they just give each kid 1/3 less food?
A lot of people could feed their kids if taxes were cut which is what would happen if we eliminated all welfare.
And others would have to get rid of their smartphones .....
Lower taxes and the right incentives would spur more charity.
Want to end the cycle of poverty? How about transferring some money from the unessessarily bloated DoD and improve our public school systems? They're a joke, especially those in our inner-cities. Kids spend half their day in these temples of hopelessness. Some better quality schools would at least give them a fighting chance.
Regardles, ending welfare programs won't make a dent in our deficit spending, and would create a host of new problems, which would burden all Americans. Scapegoat something else.
its naive to think people can rely on the volluntary good nature of others to always get by
its akin to giving someone the option to pay you for whatever service you provide them , without consequence , many will choose not to put their hand in their pocket
Want to end the cycle of poverty? How about transferring some money from the unessessarily bloated DoD and improve our public school systems? They're a joke, especially those in our inner-cities. Kids spend half their day in these temples of hopelessness. Some better quality schools would at least give them a fighting chance.
Regardles, ending welfare programs won't make a dent in our deficit spending, and would create a host of new problems, which would burden all Americans. Scapegoat something else.
The money never gets to 'kids', that's a union con. Teachers are responsible for the quality, not money.
And that means a return to the 3rd world way of life and living arrangements.
Obviously a person who has NEVER step foot in a 3rd World country.
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For example in 3rd world countries, it extended families all living under the same roof, while we keep trying to maintain some semblence of the nuclear family -- just without the father.
Yes, usually in the same room.
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The entire Section 8 program should be tossed
Funny how you folks always talk about Section 8 without ever bring out the that biggest housing subsidies goes those who least need it. In point of fact the home mortgage tax deductions costs the federal government is lost revenue more than the entire budge of the Department of Housing and Urban Development. Yeah and its the Democrats who practice class warfare.
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I think the liberals should stop acting like Chicken Little on ending welfare. It's doomed because they keep making it bigger and bigger and already it's not sustainable.
Unless you are categorizing Social Security and Medicare as welfare - something your teabag fellow travelers will take great umbrage at - you have to off your meds to make such a statement.
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When welfare ends, Section 8 goes -- and kids not capable of making a life of their own will stay living with their parents.
Where would that be since you've now made the parents homeless?
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Grandparents can help take care of the grandchildren living with them.
The grandparents that you've kicked out of Social Security?
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