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Old 10-31-2012, 11:23 AM
 
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Africom commanding officer U.S. General Carter Ham, who made the decision to assist diplomatic and intelligence assets on the ground, has been arrested and will likely be retired or worse, while those who ordered the removal of embassy security details and ordered U.S. forces to stand-down are left to go on about their business and likely risk more American lives in the future.

TRR: Is a General losing his job over Benghazi? - Washington Times

"Rogue" U.S. General Carter Ham Arrested for Activating Special Forces Teams; Ignoring Libya Stand-Down Order
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Old 10-31-2012, 11:38 AM
 
Location: Lafayette, Louisiana
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Let's see how many evening network news will cover this major news story
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Old 10-31-2012, 11:50 AM
 
Location: San Diego, CA
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An admiral in charge of the USS Stennis carrier task force was also just relieved of duty, in the middle of a deployment to a combat zone near Libya. No explanation given.

Some people are guessing that it was because, when he received word that the U.S. consulate in Benghazi was under attack, he received orders from Washington to stand down. But he still ordered the task force to steam closer to the battle zone, and ordered them to prepare to launch aircraft. He was immediately relieved of duty at sea, in the middle of maneuvers - an extremely unusual act that rarely happens even during an all-out declared war like WWII.

A 'good guess' but no answers as USS Stennis admiral is sent home to Bremerton - Blog - MyNorthwest.com
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Old 10-31-2012, 11:52 AM
 
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I cant wait to see the current administration call for his trial to be public, and in criminal court, just like they claimed terrorists should be held.
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Old 10-31-2012, 11:52 AM
 
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The Daily Sheeple??

Read your first link. Nothing about being arrested. General Ham was relieved of his duty while in Libya about 30-60 seconds after he apparently refused to stand down.

Do you really think if he was arrested he would stay silent on what he may know? The claim is he will be retiring. He's a career military man and the only thing he has is his pension and govt benefits. I'm sure he was given a choice of forfeiting them through a dishonorable discharge, or resign. He still hasn't reached the age for full retirement benefits so he may be relegated to a desk job or told to stay home and collect his pay. As the investigation unfolds, as we all hope it does, he may be called to testify.

The administration is committing suicide, giving ammo to be used against them at future hearings and possibly a trial.

The first link embedded in the link you provided:

TRR: General at center of Benghazi-gate controversy retiring - Washington Times
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Old 10-31-2012, 12:07 PM
 
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The Daily Sheeple??
And the Washington Times

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Read your first link. Nothing about being arrested. General Ham was relieved of his duty while in Libya about 30-60 seconds after he apparently refused to stand down.
Read the headline and the first sentence at the link:

TRR: Is a General losing his job over Benghazi?

Is an American General losing his job for trying to save the Americans besieged in Benghazi? This is the latest potential wrinkle in the growing scandal surrounding the September 11, 2012 terrorist attack that left four men dead and President Obama scrambling for a coherent explanation.


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Do you really think if he was arrested he would stay silent on what he may know?
If he was arrested, he can't talk about it.

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The claim is he will be retiring.

Strange time to decide to "suddenly" retire while you're on post isn't it?
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Old 10-31-2012, 12:09 PM
 
Location: San Diego, CA
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I've been trying to find where the Stennis group was when the attack on our consulate in Libya occurred. Can't find much (no surprise) aside from vague references that it was in the "Persian Gulf area". That could mean in the Gulf itself, or possibly in the Red Sea or even in the Mediterranean, journalist accuracy being what it is.

If it was in the Gulf itself, then it was more than a thousand miles from Libya. Does the Stennis even have aircraft that can fly that far, and back?

Red Sea is closer, and the Med is right on the doorstep of course.

If the admiral disobeyed direct orders, then his immediate removal is completely appropriate, no matter what his reasons were, or what he thought of those orders.
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Old 10-31-2012, 12:17 PM
 
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If the admiral disobeyed direct orders, then his immediate removal is completely appropriate, no matter what his reasons were.

Actually, that's not true.

An ILLEGAL direct order can be ignored.

Not that it applies in this case, but that's the facts of the matter when it comes to disobeying a direct order.
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Old 10-31-2012, 12:21 PM
 
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And the Washington Times

If he was arrested, he can't talk about it.

Strange time to decide to "suddenly" retire while you're on post isn't it?
I'll go with the Washington Post. Arrested or not, forced retirement or not, he can't talk about it. The only way he could talk about it is if he is summoned to appear at a hearing or a trail.

Yes, the timing is very co-incidental, seeing as how he was relieved of his duty within seconds. The question is: what did he do, or didn't do, that caused that action??
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Old 10-31-2012, 12:23 PM
 
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Man, you sure do inhale everything you read in the internet

Ummmm....and the Joint Chiefs of Staff directly report to President Obama.
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