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Old 05-31-2010, 07:55 PM
 
Location: Southcentral Kansas
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Why would Washington issue a General Order with the words in it that this one has? I think I know but many here don't agree.

"Our own Country's Honor, all call upon us for a vigorous and manly exertion, and if we now shamefully fail, we shall become infamous to the whole world. Let us therefore rely upon the goodness of the Cause, and the aid of the supreme Being, in whose hands Victory is, to animate and encourage us to great and noble Actions - The Eyes of all our Countrymen are now upon us, and we shall have their blessings, and praises, if happily we are the instruments of saving them from the Tyranny mediated against them. Let us therefore animate and encourage each other, and shew the whole world, that a Freeman contending for Liberty on his own ground is superior to any slavish mercenary on earth." --George Washington, General Orders, 1776

I took this from the Patriot Post quotes from today.
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Old 06-01-2010, 10:00 AM
 
Location: The Republic of Texas
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Why would Washington issue a General Order with the words in it that this one has? I think I know but many here don't agree.

"Our own Country's Honor, all call upon us for a vigorous and manly exertion, and if we now shamefully fail, we shall become infamous to the whole world. Let us therefore rely upon the goodness of the Cause, and the aid of the supreme Being, in whose hands Victory is, to animate and encourage us to great and noble Actions - The Eyes of all our Countrymen are now upon us, and we shall have their blessings, and praises, if happily we are the instruments of saving them from the Tyranny mediated against them. Let us therefore animate and encourage each other, and shew the whole world, that a Freeman contending for Liberty on his own ground is superior to any slavish mercenary on earth." --George Washington, General Orders, 1776

I took this from the Patriot Post quotes from today.


Because he was an honest man that believed in his God. He saw what assembled power did to the individual man.
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Old 06-01-2010, 10:02 AM
 
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sorry, but it's 2010 and not 1776. Times change; people change. Your supposed god is now becoming irrelevant in today's society.
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Old 06-01-2010, 10:22 AM
 
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Why?

Because he was a man of his times, and because he was indoctrinated from birth with the beliefs in god that he expresses in this, and many other, statements.

Are you suggesting that he was right? If so, how would he have come to the infallible conclusion that god was on the side of the Americans?

Furthermore, when you are confronted with a war in which the leaders of both sides claim that god is on their side (the Civil War would probably be a good example in which both sides were predominantly Christian), how would you determine which, if either side is correct?
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Old 06-01-2010, 11:04 AM
 
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sorry, but it's 2010 and not 1776. Times change; people change. Your supposed god is now becoming irrelevant in today's society.
Explain that one to me Gunner. I put this here so lefties could attack the words of Washington as not being the words of a Christian and you tell me that Christianity is not relevant in today's society. Do you really think that there are more of you than of us? Maybe you need to take a headcount the first chance you get.
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Old 06-01-2010, 11:07 AM
 
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Why?

Because he was a man of his times, and because he was indoctrinated from birth with the beliefs in god that he expresses in this, and many other, statements.

Are you suggesting that he was right? If so, how would he have come to the infallible conclusion that god was on the side of the Americans?

Furthermore, when you are confronted with a war in which the leaders of both sides claim that god is on their side (the Civil War would probably be a good example in which both sides were predominantly Christian), how would you determine which, if either side is correct?
Well damme Jack, maybe you could just say that it was the winners who He sided with. In your example it was Christian on both sides and I think you might find that both sides knew that. Oh well, I won't bother you non-believers any more because you want progressive desires to do away with Christianity and are finding it tougher than you thought it might be.
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Old 06-01-2010, 11:25 AM
 
Location: Vermont
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Well damme Jack, maybe you could just say that it was the winners who He sided with. In your example it was Christian on both sides and I think you might find that both sides knew that. Oh well, I won't bother you non-believers any more because you want progressive desires to do away with Christianity and are finding it tougher than you thought it might be.
Where did I say I want to do away with Christianity? (I assume that's what you meant by the bolded text above.)

It is true that I think everyone would be better off if all religious superstitions ceased to exist. Nevertheless, for the present I'd settle for a society in which the government doesn't attempt to indoctrinate people into religious belief; in which religious beliefs and believers do not have a favored position over the rest; in which nonbelievers are not de facto barred from significant public office; and in which ritual obeisance is not required for almost all civic events.
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Old 06-01-2010, 12:45 PM
 
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Why would Washington issue a General Order with the words in it that this one has? I think I know but many here don't agree.
Because he understood his audience.
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Old 06-01-2010, 12:52 PM
 
Location: Southcentral Kansas
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Where did I say I want to do away with Christianity? (I assume that's what you meant by the bolded text above.)

It is true that I think everyone would be better off if all religious superstitions ceased to exist. Nevertheless, for the present I'd settle for a society in which the government doesn't attempt to indoctrinate people into religious belief; in which religious beliefs and believers do not have a favored position over the rest; in which nonbelievers are not de facto barred from significant public office; and in which ritual obeisance is not required for almost all civic events.
I see you feeling sorry for yourself here, Jack. Do you really think that our governement is indoctrinating and favoring Christians over the rest? Don't you see that once your kind of thinking becomes the majority the candidates of religious beliefs will be in the same shoes you think you are today. Come on and try to see that the majority still doesn't agree with progressive secularism.
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Old 06-01-2010, 12:54 PM
 
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Because he understood his audience.
In other words he was playing politician and knew that his soldiers were mostly Christians. Is that what you mean? He couldn't possibly have been one of those horrible things, could he?
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