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Old 11-17-2012, 11:38 AM
 
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Not a big fan of Obamacare myself but it must be said that some 1,700 waivers have been granted, largely to unions and their members, as well as to a few favored corporations on the grounds they couldn't afford the president's affordable health care.

Read More At IBD: ObamaCare's True 10-Year Cost Out By CBO At $1.76 Trillion - Investors.com

There are some OP-Out clause

If I can't afford the mandate can I get a waiver too?
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Old 11-18-2012, 08:29 AM
 
Location: North America
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51 has a mandate.

51 has ALWAYS had a mandate. It's nothing new, and wasn't included in ACA.
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Old 11-18-2012, 08:48 AM
 
Location: Foot of the Rockies
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third party healthcare will be the death of us
Really? It's what we have now.

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People who have no clue how to run a business should not be commenting on how to run a business.
That would exclude the vast majority of the posters on this thread.
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Old 11-18-2012, 08:57 AM
 
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Oh, yes! It actually is proof. My friend received that pink slip from one of the largest and most well-known corporations in America!
And they are privy to the books of this largest and most well known corporation? And a copy of those books and operating procedures were stapled to this pink slip?

It would be interesting to see exactly why this behemoth of industry did not already supply healthcare to it's workers as most do?

Only approximately 0.02% of all businesses - that's ALL businesses - in the US are going to have to do anything at all to come into line with the new regulations. That's about 10,000 out of 6,000,000.
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Old 11-18-2012, 08:58 AM
 
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Really? It's what we have now.
And he's right - it's killing us.
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Old 11-18-2012, 09:02 AM
 
Location: Foot of the Rockies
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That's what I've been trying to say for two days now.
It takes a while to get through some of these thick skulls.

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Exactly! I find it ironic that the "poor" and people who don't know how to handle their own finances thinking they know what is best for businesses.
What business do you run? What is your net worth?
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Old 11-18-2012, 09:11 AM
 
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Exactly! I find it ironic that the "poor" and people who don't know how to handle their own finances thinking they know what is best for businesses.
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It takes a while to get through some of these thick skulls.

What business do you run? What is your net worth?
Lets just say I have a right to say what I said. And I will say it again. Most people on this forum don't have a right to say a word since they never ran a business. Most are all about the handout.
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Old 11-18-2012, 09:23 AM
 
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Lets just say I have a right to say what I said. And I will say it again. Most people on this forum don't have a right to say a word since they never ran a business. Most are all about the handout.
If you were paying any attention at all, you'd understand that this mandate is about the individual, and has very little to do with business.

There are taxes and other parts of the law which will indeed impact, and I'm sure there will be multiple threads dealing with that as it comes up. But as far as this particular topic is concerned, it would appear to me that businesses will be able to layoff people left and right and as long as they shout Obamacare as they do it, people like you will fall for it and never give it a second thought, cutting off your nose to spite your face all the while.

And there's no "handout" in being required by law to pay for health insurance, as far as I'm concerned.
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Old 11-18-2012, 09:26 AM
 
Location: Great State of Texas
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If you were paying any attention at all, you'd understand that this mandate is about the individual, and has very little to do with business.

There are taxes and other parts of the law which will indeed impact, and I'm sure there will be multiple threads dealing with that as it comes up. But as far as this particular topic is concerned, it would appear to me that businesses will be able to layoff people left and right and as long as they shout Obamacare as they do it, people like you will fall for it and never give it a second thought, cutting off your nose to spite your face all the while.

And there's no "handout" in being required by law to pay for health insurance, as far as I'm concerned.
How do you classify the subsidization of Obamacare where someone else is paying part of people's health insurance premiums ?
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Old 11-18-2012, 09:28 AM
 
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How do you classify the subsidization of Obamacare where someone else is paying part of people's health insurance premiums ?
Anybody paying health insurance is subsidizing somebody somewhere.

If you have an illness that costs way more to treat than you've ever possibly paid in, do you consider that you've gotten a handout?

If you are paying for it, it's not a handout.
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