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Old 11-18-2012, 04:53 PM
 
Location: In the heights
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It's really not a huge group of people but the amount sure is significant for a group that small.
Why? The delinquency rates are actually lower than the average. These reports have been issued for a over about a decade and a half each and every year and are meant to keep tabs on government employees because we want to (and should) hold them to a higher standard. This incidentally also means the IRS is actually billing them for backtaxes. Now, there may be some particularly heinous individuals in there who are doing something completely off the wall and terrible, but there's not really enough resolution in these reports released to us (though the IRS itself would know) unless you want to actually spend the time to track all individuals. However, it's not like the federal employees throughout this administration are cited for having above average tax delinquency rates compared to previous administrations or compared to the general populace.

Again, why are people so willing to take on these bombshell revelations as truth and fight tooth and nail for them, but are so incredibly lazy to actually look at the primary sources and do real analysis of them? How are we as a nation going to progress when the average education we receive and intellectual curiosity we exhibit leads to these kinds of topics?

Read any of these threads: does it seem like a real political discussion or is it throwing some ill-conceived factoid winnowed from some random source and then yelling back and forth about "typical ____" or "stupid _____"? Where is the actual real political discussion about what the real mechanisms behind an issue are and what the possible solutions and compromises might be?
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Old 11-18-2012, 04:57 PM
 
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And some of us have a real problem with people defending tax cheats just because it's not a new phenomena.

And some people are just pro Obama and not pro facts or common sense.
Who is defending tax cheats as a good thing? The only issue is saying that this is somehow bizarrely off course from other administrations or tying it to this one specifically--well, it's not specific to this administration and we should be expecting better (just as we should have expected better in all administrations not just this one). Yes, they should pay their back taxes. It should be a real sore mark for continued federal employment for not paying taxes in full in all administrations and any irregularities or even technically tax loopholes (not breaks, but loopholes) taken advantage of should be counted and marked out. I hope this administration actually does crack down far harder than previous administrations.
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Old 11-18-2012, 05:26 PM
 
Location: Southcentral Kansas
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Where did Roy get this secret information if it weren't reported?
You were invited to read the link and as usual, you failed and tried to help your leaner buddies make it out to be something dreamed up. Go ahead and read the link. Well, no maybe not, since it is a blog.
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Old 11-18-2012, 05:34 PM
 
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You were invited to read the link and as usual, you failed and tried to help your leaner buddies make it out to be something dreamed up. Go ahead and read the link. Well, no maybe not, since it is a blog.
Look at the primary sources. I posted those. Here is another link for the actual report: Copy of FERDI 2010 Final

You can find FERDI stats from about a decade and a half ago to now. You can also read the actual legislation putting it in practice. Posting someone's blog who doesn't understand what the stats mean or refuses to do any kind of real analytical work on the stats but knows he will get site traffic and ad hits for having put in "Obama" in there is silly, but it is how people operate these days because they are too lazy, non-analytical or technologically inept.
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Old 11-18-2012, 07:01 PM
 
Location: Southcentral Kansas
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This appears to be a long re-occurring theme with them over the years;

41 Obama White House aides owe the IRS $831,000 in back taxes -- and they're not alone - latimes.com
I wonder if the IRS will be charging these people interest on what they owed two years ago. Yep, some of our leaners talk about it being 2010 when this was going on and I wonder if any of them have paid penny one since then. I doubt it but they did all work for good old Bammy, didn't they? It is hard for me to understand how the Dems attacked Romney with all this going on among them.
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Old 11-18-2012, 07:02 PM
 
Location: Southcentral Kansas
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So you are OK with government officials not paying their taxes?
As long as it is Democrats that are in arrears and in charge of the government, old Yo is not unhappy with them at all.
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Old 11-18-2012, 07:03 PM
 
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Maybe we need a new law that says you cannot hold an elective office or get a paycheck from the government if you owe any past due taxes.
That is certainly sure but most of these we are finding up to now, outside heads of departments and Congressmen were appointed and hired by the appointees. Leaners seem to think that this is ok as long as Dems are involved.
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Old 11-18-2012, 07:08 PM
 
Location: Southcentral Kansas
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That website at the link is a real hoot!

Glen Beck isn't loony enough for you these days?
Lets see now. When a website doesn't lean far enough left they are to be made fun of but the people they expose are ok in doing what they do. How does it feel when you leaners occasionally fall down on your left sides. You haven't said one word about whether there is any truth in that story. Why? You know you can't prove it is untrue. Right?
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Old 11-18-2012, 07:10 PM
 
Location: Southcentral Kansas
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Who pays these aides? If it is a government job they should be fired for having unpaid taxes.

I am wondering if there is a record of this somewhere. How do you discover that someone does not pay the IRS? If there is a record and this is public knowledge this needs to be brought before congress. Things like this need to be stopped and certainly a law put forth that would prevent them from getting any more of public money when they don't pay up themselves.
You are right but the Congress critters are heavily among those who haven't been paying so they aren't likely to pass such legislation as we need to get them along with the others.
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Old 11-18-2012, 07:13 PM
 
Location: Southcentral Kansas
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What does this have to do with Obama himself? He's not responsible for their tax obligations.

[shrug]
Whose administration do we find all that crap in? Why The Won is who. Since over 400 of them are in the EPA I wonder why we have to allow them to continue regulating us when they can't even get their people to pay their taxes, and I wonder if one in that group may be named Jackson.
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