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Old 12-05-2012, 09:24 PM
 
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The facts are she gets to choose if she keeps the baby. If she does keep it, the law says you get to help support it.

We guys have some input but not the final word.
The laws says he gets to help support it unless he signs over his paternal rights.

 
Old 12-05-2012, 09:24 PM
 
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Reading this thread I'm surprised that some of the guys who brag they bang one woman after another are opposed to women actually having them. Like they'd really want to be involved in any meaningful way if one of their conquests became pregnant.
I'd sign over all rights if I had a kid with a random. However, I'd do my best to find her a man to help raise the kid.
 
Old 12-05-2012, 09:25 PM
 
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Reading this thread I'm surprised that some of the guys who brag they bang one woman after another are opposed to women actually having them. Like they'd really want to be involved in any meaningful way if one of their conquests became pregnant.

Lots of talk from those guys... not so much action.


I'm surprised this thread stayed afloat without getting too ugly. A Relationships first, I'm sure.
 
Old 12-05-2012, 09:26 PM
 
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Not really, but how much influence can/should a man have over that decision? Obviously, if she doesn't want to have the kid for whatever reason, there is nothing a guy can do about it. Would you even tell the guy (assuming he doesn't know you're pregnant)?
I only date pro-choice men who don't want children and go to great lengths to avoid conceiving any, and they would know going into it that if there was an unwanted pregnancy, it would be terminated, so for me, whether I told him would depend on the situation: How long we'd been together, whether we were married, etc. If it's someone I'd only been dating for a few months, I don't know that I'd bother telling him. If it was a husband or someone I'd been with for a long time, he'd probably want to be supportive of me as I went through it, so I would.

The bottom line is that it's my uterus, and I am the one who controls what goes into it and what comes out of it. I am the one who would be dealing with the pregnancy, I would be the one in labor and giving birth, and let's face it, I would be the one doing most of the child-rearing. I would be the one who decides.

If a man knows for a fact that he does not want children, he should get a vasectomy.
 
Old 12-05-2012, 09:26 PM
 
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Reading this thread I'm surprised that some of the guys who brag they bang one woman after another are opposed to women actually having them. Like they'd really want to be involved in any meaningful way if one of their conquests became pregnant.
I'm not surprised as in my experiences most guys want complete control over a gal's body and get upset when they don't have control or have say as it's like a personal affront to them. Likely these guys opposing to gals having abortions are also guys who think 'sex is a duty/obligation that cannot be denied without a good reason (implying her consent/desire aren't a good reason)'.
 
Old 12-05-2012, 09:26 PM
 
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Not really, but how much influence can/should a man have over that decision? Obviously, if she doesn't want to have the kid for whatever reason, there is nothing a guy can do about it. Would you even tell the guy (assuming he doesn't know you're pregnant)?
I am extremely vocal about not ever wanting to have children, ever. In fact, if I were able to get my tubes tied today, you can bet your ass I would. As that is not possible, given the politicizing of women's body, I have to use extreme caution during coital relations.

Now, were my precautions to fail, I most certainly would not go through with pregnancy. Ever. Would I discuss it with my partner? ONLY if I were in a committed, long-term relationship. The discussion would boil down to, "We weren't careful enough, I am pregnant, I am taking care of it. The end." But, any partner that I have (and have had) absolutely knows 100% my stance on children.

I do not wish to be pregnant, and there is not a single thing any person who is not me could say to "convince" me otherwise.
 
Old 12-05-2012, 09:26 PM
 
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Lots of talk from those guys... not so much action.


I'm surprised this thread stayed afloat without getting too ugly. A Relationships first, I'm sure.
And what action were you looking for, specifically?
 
Old 12-05-2012, 09:27 PM
 
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The facts are she gets to choose if she keeps the baby. If she does keep it, the law says you get to help support it.

We guys have some input but not the final word.
Reiterating the problem does not solve it.
 
Old 12-05-2012, 09:27 PM
 
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That's a silly argument. You know good and well that an STD does not compare to the life of a child.

Antiobiotics for STDs does not rob the life of a child from another person.
A child to you but a parasitic lump of cells to a woman with an unwanted pregnancy.

They said that a person who has sex should have to face the consequences and abortion is one such way to do so.
 
Old 12-05-2012, 09:28 PM
 
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I'm not surprised as in my experiences most guys want complete control over a gal's body and get upset when they don't have control or have say as it's like a personal affront to them. Likely these guys opposing to gals having abortions are also guys who think 'sex is a duty/obligation that cannot be denied without a good reason (implying her consent/desire aren't a good reason)'.
You need to cite whenever you quote something from the official feminists handbook.
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