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*ARMY. In 1945, the number of Army generals per active Army division was 14- In
1986, at the height of the Cold War, the army had 24 generals per division. Now, as we
face no major threat, there are 30 generals per division-
* NAVY. At the end of WWII there were 130 Navy ships per admiral. In 1986, at the
height of the Cold War, there were 2.2 ships per admiral. Now, as we face no major
threat, there is an average of only 1-6 ships per admiral
* MARINES. In 1945 there were 469,925 Marines commanded by 81 generals; by March
1997, 79 generals commanded a mere 173,011 Marines.
* AIR FORCE. In 1945 there were 244 aircraft per general in the Air Force. In 1986, at
the height of the Cold War, there were 28 aircraft per general. Now, as we face no major
threat, there are only 23 aircraft per general.
That's 963 generals and admirals, which includes their private jets and helicopters, staff, cooks, and orderlies,
And that doesn't include the perks, like the 234 golf course maintained by the U.S. military including the $26 million Sungnam course in South Korea.
While many here accused the Administration of recalling General Ward "to cover up for Benghazi" the truth was that Gen Ward was ripping off tax payers to the tune $82,000 for trips for his family to Bermuda and billing the State Department for Hotel and travel costs.
So while once again the focus is on those with the least, the big boys escape without any scrutiny.
I say cut the military and cut it in a serious fashion because it has little to do with defense.
This is directly tied to the "Every Child Is A Winner" and "Every Player Get's A Trophy" mentality that pervades and persists in America. We in America have a terrible time telling someone "NO" and as a result financial windfalls also pervade and persist, whether it be the useless individual who refuses to work and collects never-ending welfare to military personnel who believe every good deed should be rewarded with a promotion.
It's time to for a callous, cold-hearted bastard to take control of the levers in the United States of America.
*ARMY. In 1945, the number of Army generals per active Army division was 14- In
1986, at the height of the Cold War, the army had 24 generals per division. Now, as we
face no major threat, there are 30 generals per division-
* NAVY. At the end of WWII there were 130 Navy ships per admiral. In 1986, at the
height of the Cold War, there were 2.2 ships per admiral. Now, as we face no major
threat, there is an average of only 1-6 ships per admiral
* MARINES. In 1945 there were 469,925 Marines commanded by 81 generals; by March
1997, 79 generals commanded a mere 173,011 Marines.
* AIR FORCE. In 1945 there were 244 aircraft per general in the Air Force. In 1986, at
the height of the Cold War, there were 28 aircraft per general. Now, as we face no major
threat, there are only 23 aircraft per general.
That's 963 generals and admirals, which includes their private jets and helicopters, staff, cooks, and orderlies,
And that doesn't include the perks, like the 234 golf course maintained by the U.S. military including the $26 million Sungnam course in South Korea.
While many here accused the Administration of recalling General Ward "to cover up for Benghazi" the truth was that Gen Ward was ripping off tax payers to the tune $82,000 for trips for his family to Bermuda and billing the State Department for Hotel and travel costs.
So while once again the focus is on those with the least, the big boys escape without any scrutiny.
I say cut the military and cut it in a serious fashion because it has little to do with defense.
The charts that demonstrate the ratio of Admirals to number of ships and Generals to number of aircraft is telling.
What exactly are all of these admirals, admirals of?
It has become similar to the "Vice President" title in corporate America.
This is directly tied to the "Every Child Is A Winner" and "Every Player Get's A Trophy" mentality that pervades and persists in America. We in America have a terrible time telling someone "NO" and as a result financial windfalls also pervade and persist, whether it be the useless individual who refuses to work and collects never-ending welfare to military personnel who believe every good deed should be rewarded with a promotion.
It's time to for a callous, cold-hearted bastard to take control of the levers in the United States of America.
We have a terrible time saying no to those with influence and power.
The thing that I despise the most when I was in the service was having achieved the rank of E-5 as an air rescue medic that I had to serve the officers in their mess. Jesus we only had 175 personel on a base where damn near every enlisted person was a highly trained technician why was that officer had to have one of us serve them dinner style. It is one thing for the officers to have a separate dinning area but they couldn't stand in line like everybody else?
I don't begrudge the fact that generals and admirals need to have staff or security details but to be treated like pampered princes just seems to contradict the spartan life style that should be associated with the military.
*ARMY. In 1945, the number of Army generals per active Army division was 14- In
1986, at the height of the Cold War, the army had 24 generals per division. Now, as we
face no major threat, there are 30 generals per division-
* NAVY. At the end of WWII there were 130 Navy ships per admiral. In 1986, at the
height of the Cold War, there were 2.2 ships per admiral. Now, as we face no major
threat, there is an average of only 1-6 ships per admiral
* MARINES. In 1945 there were 469,925 Marines commanded by 81 generals; by March
1997, 79 generals commanded a mere 173,011 Marines.
* AIR FORCE. In 1945 there were 244 aircraft per general in the Air Force. In 1986, at
the height of the Cold War, there were 28 aircraft per general. Now, as we face no major
threat, there are only 23 aircraft per general.
That's 963 generals and admirals, which includes their private jets and helicopters, staff, cooks, and orderlies,
And that doesn't include the perks, like the 234 golf course maintained by the U.S. military including the $26 million Sungnam course in South Korea.
While many here accused the Administration of recalling General Ward "to cover up for Benghazi" the truth was that Gen Ward was ripping off tax payers to the tune $82,000 for trips for his family to Bermuda and billing the State Department for Hotel and travel costs.
So while once again the focus is on those with the least, the big boys escape without any scrutiny.
I say cut the military and cut it in a serious fashion because it has little to do with defense.
*ARMY. In 1945, the number of Army generals per active Army division was 14- In
1986, at the height of the Cold War, the army had 24 generals per division. Now, as we
face no major threat, there are 30 generals per division-
* NAVY. At the end of WWII there were 130 Navy ships per admiral. In 1986, at the
height of the Cold War, there were 2.2 ships per admiral. Now, as we face no major
threat, there is an average of only 1-6 ships per admiral
* MARINES. In 1945 there were 469,925 Marines commanded by 81 generals; by March
1997, 79 generals commanded a mere 173,011 Marines.
* AIR FORCE. In 1945 there were 244 aircraft per general in the Air Force. In 1986, at
the height of the Cold War, there were 28 aircraft per general. Now, as we face no major
threat, there are only 23 aircraft per general.
That's 963 generals and admirals, which includes their private jets and helicopters, staff, cooks, and orderlies,
And that doesn't include the perks, like the 234 golf course maintained by the U.S. military including the $26 million Sungnam course in South Korea.
While many here accused the Administration of recalling General Ward "to cover up for Benghazi" the truth was that Gen Ward was ripping off tax payers to the tune $82,000 for trips for his family to Bermuda and billing the State Department for Hotel and travel costs.
So while once again the focus is on those with the least, the big boys escape without any scrutiny.
I say cut the military and cut it in a serious fashion because it has little to do with defense.
General officers in the US military make about $200,000/yr. In order to save just 1 billion dollars per year we'd have to cut 5,000 generals. America's debt goes up by 1 billion dollars approximately every 6 hours.
But we only have about 850 flag officers.
So gutting our military leadership would pay for our debt for around 1 hour.
*ARMY. In 1945, the number of Army generals per active Army division was 14- In
1986, at the height of the Cold War, the army had 24 generals per division. Now, as we
face no major threat, there are 30 generals per division-
* NAVY. At the end of WWII there were 130 Navy ships per admiral. In 1986, at the
height of the Cold War, there were 2.2 ships per admiral. Now, as we face no major
threat, there is an average of only 1-6 ships per admiral
* MARINES. In 1945 there were 469,925 Marines commanded by 81 generals; by March
1997, 79 generals commanded a mere 173,011 Marines.
* AIR FORCE. In 1945 there were 244 aircraft per general in the Air Force. In 1986, at
the height of the Cold War, there were 28 aircraft per general. Now, as we face no major
threat, there are only 23 aircraft per general.
That's 963 generals and admirals, which includes their private jets and helicopters, staff, cooks, and orderlies,
And that doesn't include the perks, like the 234 golf course maintained by the U.S. military including the $26 million Sungnam course in South Korea.
While many here accused the Administration of recalling General Ward "to cover up for Benghazi" the truth was that Gen Ward was ripping off tax payers to the tune $82,000 for trips for his family to Bermuda and billing the State Department for Hotel and travel costs.
So while once again the focus is on those with the least, the big boys escape without any scrutiny.
I say cut the military and cut it in a serious fashion because it has little to do with defense.
The charts that demonstrate the ratio of Admirals to number of ships and Generals to number of aircraft is telling.
What exactly are all of these admirals, admirals of?
It has become similar to the "Vice President" title in corporate America.
That's a really bad analysis by someone who has no understanding of the military.
Generals per division is not a proper unit of measure.
Why doesn't he count reserve divisions?
Probably because he doesn't understand how the US Army Reserve works. You have 6 reserve divisions --- with no troops. It's just a skeleton division headquarters staff with skeleton brigade staffs. In the event of a major conflict, you'd draft troops for cannon fodder, call up the highly specialized reserve units like field artillery, intelligence, military police, medical, engineering etc and then put them together.
Granted, there was a EUCOM during WW II, but no NATO, no CENTCOM, no AFRICOM and so on.
These command groups, like AFRICOM have an headquarters staff, but no troops -- not as of yet (although some units are already tasked with support).
You know Khomeini summarily executed the 7 army commanders that sided with Carter Administration and attempted a military coup in Iran. He also executed some of the junior commanders and then relived a lot of the others of duty. That left the Iranian military vulnerable and Iraq took advantage of that, and did quite well in the war....right up until the newer Iranian officers got off the learning-curve...after that Iran beat the crap out of Iraq.
I guess the point is troops are a dime a dozen, but senior officers and non-coms are priceless and invaluable for their experience and knowledge, as well as their leadership skills.
You might want to also consider that in WW II, the US army divisions didn't have rotary wing aircraft....you know, helicopters. Army aviation is officer heavy anyway and you have captains as platoon leaders, majors as company commanders and so on (just like medical units).
Anyway, if you want to make an argument that there are too many officers, then you need to look at their function instead of making silly comparisons.
*ARMY. In 1945, the number of Army generals per active Army division was 14- In
1986, at the height of the Cold War, the army had 24 generals per division. Now, as we
face no major threat, there are 30 generals per division-
* NAVY. At the end of WWII there were 130 Navy ships per admiral. In 1986, at the
height of the Cold War, there were 2.2 ships per admiral. Now, as we face no major
threat, there is an average of only 1-6 ships per admiral
* MARINES. In 1945 there were 469,925 Marines commanded by 81 generals; by March
1997, 79 generals commanded a mere 173,011 Marines.
* AIR FORCE. In 1945 there were 244 aircraft per general in the Air Force. In 1986, at
the height of the Cold War, there were 28 aircraft per general. Now, as we face no major
threat, there are only 23 aircraft per general.
That's 963 generals and admirals, which includes their private jets and helicopters, staff, cooks, and orderlies,
And that doesn't include the perks, like the 234 golf course maintained by the U.S. military including the $26 million Sungnam course in South Korea.
While many here accused the Administration of recalling General Ward "to cover up for Benghazi" the truth was that Gen Ward was ripping off tax payers to the tune $82,000 for trips for his family to Bermuda and billing the State Department for Hotel and travel costs.
So while once again the focus is on those with the least, the big boys escape without any scrutiny.
I say cut the military and cut it in a serious fashion because it has little to do with defense.
You do realise that war is alot more complicated than WWII ;also as is basic defense. We need more and to retain more as many jobs are much more compliacted and require alot more skills and better people basically.The rant about a gnheral is just like rantig about one congressman ;really.Even CBO wanred cogress that since the Clinton cuts(remmebr the so called peace dividend) that defnse budget itsel;f has gone to 55 of GDP and stayed there and that the money is not there to reallt make cuts like then. mnay confused war spending that is not in defense busdget with defense budgted items.That so one reason mnay know eactly what is comig in defense cuts;much opf it will effect private contracotr and pulbic defense jobs more than nay other things unlike past defense cuts.
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