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Old 12-21-2012, 11:38 PM
 
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Perhaps everyone should take a good look at the lists of school shootings, stabbings and bombings throughout the world. Though there were incidences in the U.S.A. prior to the current incident in Connecticut, there were not as many using guns as the current noise would have one believe.

It's interesting to look at the lists (there are several lists, according to school level - grammar, high and college). The lists shows the weapons used and the people. Again this is throughout the world - we are certainly not unique to this situation.

And using schools as targets goes back centuries.

It's not the weapons - guns, bombs, knives - but the driving motives that have to be looked at as the real problem.

List of school-related attacks - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
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Old 12-21-2012, 11:47 PM
 
Location: Rational World Park
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Putting U.S. school shootings into perspective does not show guns to be major problem.
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Old 12-23-2012, 12:07 PM
 
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Default That's right...look at the facts.

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Putting U.S. school shootings into perspective does not show guns to be major problem.
Really look at the situation and put things into perspective.

The question is, what would be the goals on new gun laws?

There are other factors that cause the crimes...all to do with the people committing the atrocities. And that is where the problem should start being solved.

Apparently you did not even read the link, or you did not put the info into perspective.

I'm afraid cooler minds will prevail. And it will be based on the fact that so many of us either own guns or know people that own guns. And we understand that they are not the problem.

This morning on one of the news shows was a perfect example of an anti gun nut that clearly is taking advantage of the the anti gun peoples disgraceful use of the children as nothing more than props in their anti gun propoganda.

One of the funnier things he said was that gun owners have this unjust fear of being invaded by some army...Apparently this clown is not aware that we have about 20 million people in this country that crossed the borders illegally and undetected.

And apparently he is not aware of the terrorism war of the past 20 years.
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Old 12-23-2012, 01:08 PM
 
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Other nations have taken action after mass shootings.

"Twelve days after the worst mass murder in Australian history, when 35 people were shot to death at Tasmania state’s Port Arthur tourist mecca in 1996, the government issued sweeping reforms of the country’s gun laws.

There hasn’t been a mass shooting since, and suicides, deaths by firearms and robberies at gunpoint have plummeted."

Foreign gun laws tightened after massacres have reduced homicides - latimes.com
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Old 12-23-2012, 01:28 PM
 
Location: Jacksonville, FL
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Other nations have taken action after mass shootings.

"Twelve days after the worst mass murder in Australian history, when 35 people were shot to death at Tasmania state’s Port Arthur tourist mecca in 1996, the government issued sweeping reforms of the country’s gun laws.

There hasn’t been a mass shooting since, and suicides, deaths by firearms and robberies at gunpoint have plummeted."

Foreign gun laws tightened after massacres have reduced homicides - latimes.com
On the other hand, Australia's rate of violent crime has gone up. Assaults are up 40% and rape is up 20% since 1993. Once again, in case you didn't read it the first 896 times it was posted on these forums, taking firearms away from law-abiding citizens leads to an increase in violent crimes. This has held true in every single country that has banned firearms. Meanwhile, the rates of violent crime in the U.S. have dropped during the time that firearms ownership has increased. So tell me again how removing firearms will make society safer or more civilized.

Now, on to the sheer logistical differences between the United States and Australia when it comes to enforcing a firearms ban. Does Australia share a border with a country that has proven to be extremely adept at bypassing customs and border agents in order to move vast quantities of illegal goods across that border? No, they don't. Comparing Australia's situation to the situation that we face in America, with the left simultaneously calling for more open borders and more strict regulations on what the American public is or is not allowed to own, is an exercise in futility. The two countries have absolutely nothing in common, and what works in Australia will fail miserably in the U.S.
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Old 12-23-2012, 01:29 PM
 
Location: West Michigan
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Putting things in perspective, blaming everything but guns is outright ridiculous.
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Old 12-23-2012, 01:31 PM
 
Location: The Woods
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Other nations have taken action after mass shootings.

"Twelve days after the worst mass murder in Australian history, when 35 people were shot to death at Tasmania state’s Port Arthur tourist mecca in 1996, the government issued sweeping reforms of the country’s gun laws.

There hasn’t been a mass shooting since, and suicides, deaths by firearms and robberies at gunpoint have plummeted."

Foreign gun laws tightened after massacres have reduced homicides - latimes.com
And they went decades and decades without such an incident prior to that as well, with their gun freedoms.
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Old 12-23-2012, 01:38 PM
 
Location: Jacksonville, FL
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Putting things in perspective, blaming everything but guns is outright ridiculous.
Actually, blaming anything other than the people who commit these crimes is outright ridiculous. All the partisan political posturing aside, what it comes down to is that an individual has the ability to make their own decisions. Some decide to do evil things, and the rest of us must decide how we will deal with the reality of that fact. Personally, I would prefer to have the ability to do something other than cower in a corner and scream if I am ever in the situation of making that decision. Blaming guns and trying to remove them from the hands of law-abiding citizens just turns us all into corner-screamers.
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