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Old 12-22-2012, 04:32 AM
 
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....that they aren't awash with gun crime vicitms?

Gun laws in Vermont - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Gun laws in New Hampshire - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Maine seems pretty lax too...

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gun_laws_in_Maine
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Old 12-22-2012, 06:52 AM
 
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The answer is that those states are sparcely populated; and, consequently, not a good statistical measure for shootings, or criminal activity generally.
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Old 12-22-2012, 07:04 AM
 
Location: Boston, MA
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Very few of the type of people who are shooting each other.
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Old 12-22-2012, 07:07 AM
 
Location: Frankfurt, Germany
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They are educated liberal states.
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Old 12-22-2012, 07:15 AM
 
Location: The Republic of Texas
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Cost of living, keeps the low life pond scum, at bay.

Kind of like there is low crime in the affluent and wealthy areas around Chicago, but the inner city is a war zone.
Oppression and poverty, create victims of violence.

Look at Britain... Their violence statistics, are more than 4 times greater per capita, than the USA. They are not allowed to protect themselves in Britain.
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Old 12-22-2012, 08:21 AM
 
Location: New Jersey
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That's because gun laws have no correlation with gun violence. Connecticut has very strict gun laws. NJ has probably the strictest state gun laws and horrible inner-city gun violence. Mexico has strict gun laws and insane gun violence. Gun violence has increased since England made guns illegal. The anti-gun lobby is just using shootings like this to push their agenda. If gun control laws actually reduced gun violence then I might be a bigger supporter of them. But in the absence of any real evidence gun control laws just unnecessarily infringe on a person's unconstitutional rights. Gun control laws prevented the Conn. and Oregon shooter from buying a gun but they got one anyway. It's like saying that making weed illegal reduces consumption, it just creates a black market.
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Old 12-22-2012, 08:39 AM
 
Location: Portland, Oregon
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Cost of living, keeps the low life pond scum, at bay.

Kind of like there is low crime in the affluent and wealthy areas around Chicago, but the inner city is a war zone.
Oppression and poverty, create victims of violence.

Look at Britain... Their violence statistics, are more than 4 times greater per capita, than the USA. They are not allowed to protect themselves in Britain.
Inner city Chicago is not a "war zone" unless you are a suburbanite that gets spooked by urban cities.
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Old 12-22-2012, 08:44 AM
 
Location: Portland, Oregon
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That's because gun laws have no correlation with gun violence. Connecticut has very strict gun laws. NJ has probably the strictest state gun laws and horrible inner-city gun violence. Mexico has strict gun laws and insane gun violence. Gun violence has increased since England made guns illegal. The anti-gun lobby is just using shootings like this to push their agenda. If gun control laws actually reduced gun violence then I might be a bigger supporter of them. But in the absence of any real evidence gun control laws just unnecessarily infringe on a person's unconstitutional rights. Gun control laws prevented the Conn. and Oregon shooter from buying a gun but they got one anyway. It's like saying that making weed illegal reduces consumption, it just creates a black market.
Which is why I have no interest in making guns in general illegal, I do however think there are certain things that shouldn't be on the market to begin with or extremely hard to obtain. But you are right with the correlation with daily gun violence in this country has more to do with poverty and gang control.

Mass shootings like what we have recently seen are not the same thing as daily gun violence because they do no happen because of poverty or drugs, when people want stricter gun laws it is because they want to make sure mass shootings don't happen because those are tragedies, but daily gun violence in this country is just a way of life.
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Old 12-22-2012, 12:54 PM
 
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The answer is that those states are sparcely populated; and, consequently, not a good statistical measure for shootings, or criminal activity generally.
Therefore we should have different laws for different parts of a state.

Western MD should NOT have the same laws as Baltimore city or county.

Upper state NY is far different then NYC.

Now that is reasonable thinking I can get behind.

As has been said many time, one size doesn't fit all.
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Old 12-22-2012, 01:27 PM
 
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Which is why I have no interest in making guns in general illegal, I do however think there are certain things that shouldn't be on the market to begin with or extremely hard to obtain. But you are right with the correlation with daily gun violence in this country has more to do with poverty and gang control.

Mass shootings like what we have recently seen are not the same thing as daily gun violence because they do no happen because of poverty or drugs, when people want stricter gun laws it is because they want to make sure mass shootings don't happen because those are tragedies, but daily gun violence in this country is just a way of life.
" there are certain things that shouldn't be on the market to begin with or extremely hard to obtain."

There in lies one of the issues many have a problem with.

Many drugs are completely illegal, right? Then why do we have such a large drug problem? Heck, haven't we had a "war on drugs" for years?

To make them hard to get only affects law abiding citizen.

How would you feel if one of you relatives was shot and killed during a house break in and knowing that the same realtive was in the process purchasing a legal gun when your new law banning the sale of guns just went into affect denying your relative from buying one?

"but daily gun violence in this country is just a way of life." A gross misrepresentation of the facts.

Considering the number of people in this country, gun violence is not that big.

Accidental discharge 851
Suicide 19,766
Homicide 11,101
Undetermined Intent 222

Total: At least 31940 people died from gun injuries in 2011.
How many gun deaths are in the US every year

I don't know the validity of the above site.

Number of deaths for leading causes of death

  • Heart disease: 599,413
  • Cancer: 567,628
  • Chronic lower respiratory diseases: 137,353
  • Stroke (cerebrovascular diseases): 128,842
FASTSTATS - Leading Causes of Death




List of causes of death by rate - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia




There are over 311 BILLION people in the U.S. You do the math.
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