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Old 12-22-2012, 09:37 PM
 
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I've noticed that religion has been blamed a lot for stirring up homophobia and evangelicals are the main cause of homophobia, in America, at least. It's probably a different situation, but in Australia most of the people who are the most homophobic aren't religious at all...they might've been somewhat conservative on some social issues, but they tended to be generally less educated than other people. It's true, I will say, that among the educated it tended to be religious people who hold anti-gay views, but I don't think thinking it's immoral is even homophobia. If your holy book says it is wrong, you're merely following that. If you believe God says it's wrong, you're merely believing what you believe God says. Now approving of Westboro Baptist Church or maybe advocating God repeats Sodom and Gomorrah might be homophobic, or inciting hatred against them. Whether the writers of the Bible or Quran were homophobic or whether the Biblical God is homophobic is another question, but I don't really see much of a relationship here, since it's less religious than the US, between religion and homophobia. Most Christians tend to keep their opinions to themselves, and don't go around beating up gay people. I guess if you mean voting against gay marriage, then yes, Christians here are like that, but in terms of saying hateful things about them, I just see that from hateful people in general.

 
Old 12-22-2012, 09:38 PM
 
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Almost every homophobe I've ever met has been religious. Religion is the driving force behind anti-gay sentiment based on the butchering and abuse of the English Bible. Gays are treated like modern day witches.
 
Old 12-22-2012, 09:40 PM
 
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Me man...me like woman.

What's so hard to figure out?

Gays are gross......ewwwww
 
Old 12-22-2012, 09:41 PM
 
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The place most homophobia is derived from are a few innocuous lines from the bible. You don't have to be religious to be deluded by the popular belief that homosexuality is wrong or not common throughout the animal kingdom, which it is.
 
Old 12-22-2012, 09:41 PM
 
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Why cant athiets hate gays also? Christians cant dominate everything
 
Old 12-22-2012, 09:43 PM
 
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Religion shall never sit on the sideline when there's an opportune moment to judge.
 
Old 12-22-2012, 09:43 PM
 
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There is no such thing as a homophobe. These people are not afraid of gays. They are just *******s.
 
Old 12-22-2012, 09:45 PM
 
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I've noticed that religion has been blamed a lot for stirring up homophobia and evangelicals are the main cause of homophobia, in America, at least. It's probably a different situation, but in Australia most of the people who are the most homophobic aren't religious at all...they might've been somewhat conservative on some social issues, but they tended to be generally less educated than other people. It's true, I will say, that among the educated it tended to be religious people who hold anti-gay views, but I don't think thinking it's immoral is even homophobia. If your holy book says it is wrong, you're merely following that. If you believe God says it's wrong, you're merely believing what you believe God says. Now approving of Westboro Baptist Church or maybe advocating God repeats Sodom and Gomorrah might be homophobic, or inciting hatred against them. Whether the writers of the Bible or Quran were homophobic or whether the Biblical God is homophobic is another question, but I don't really see much of a relationship here, since it's less religious than the US, between religion and homophobia. Most Christians tend to keep their opinions to themselves, and don't go around beating up gay people. I guess if you mean voting against gay marriage, then yes, Christians here are like that, but in terms of saying hateful things about them, I just see that from hateful people in general.
Yea I could see how could be more of a macho, guy thing in Australia being that it's a more secular country. And they are defending some traditional Australian values.

We have that dynamic as well, only they all make the claim it's Bible related. That's their fall back defense.

In fact most libertarians or atheists in the USA tend have a live and let live attitude about gays.

But you may be engaging in this "No True Scotsman" http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/No_true_Scotsman fallacy. Saying that people aren't "real" Christians if they are mean to gays.

Maybe so, but they refer to themselves as Christian.
 
Old 12-22-2012, 09:47 PM
 
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Simple answer is to not associate with homophobes.
 
Old 12-22-2012, 09:51 PM
 
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Yea I could see how could be more of a macho, guy thing in Australia being that it's a more secular country. And they are defending some traditional Australian values.

We have that dynamic as well, only they all make the claim it's Bible related. That's their fall back defense.

In fact most libertarians or atheists in the USA tend have a live and let live attitude about gays.

But you may be engaging in this "No True Scotsman" No true Scotsman - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia fallacy. Saying that people aren't "real" Christians if they are mean to gays.

Maybe so, but they refer to themselves as Christian.
No at least a couple of these homophobes actually expressed mild contempt for religion in general.
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