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Old 12-26-2012, 09:06 AM
 
Location: Fort Worth Texas
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I disagree with you assessment. As a percentage of GDP, US debt after WWII was greater than it is now. Granted we had more advantages - compared to other countries - then than we do now, but the debt will be managed and gradually paid down.

Ken
When and how we will manage the debt and pay it down
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Old 12-26-2012, 09:08 AM
 
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I disagree with you assessment. As a percentage of GDP, US debt after WWII was greater than it is now. Granted we had more advantages - compared to other countries - then than we do now, but the debt will be managed and gradually paid down.

Ken
You disagree? That wasn't my assessment, that was a fact. The Fed's balance sheet grew from $200 billion in 2008 to over $1.4 trillion today. I agree with you that we will gradually pay it down, however that is exactly what prolongs recessions. You described the situation where we have a recession similar to the one Japan has seen for the last 20+ years.

This is the problem. The majority of Obama's voters are very clueless when it comes to economics.
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Old 12-26-2012, 09:10 AM
 
Location: Dallas, TX
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You described the situation where we have a recession similar to the one Japan has seen for the last 20+ years.
You do realize that Japan's biggest problem has been to get out of deflation. No?
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Old 12-26-2012, 09:15 AM
 
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You do realize that Japan's biggest problem has been to get out of deflation. No?
And you do realize that problems surrounding how to get out of a prolonged recession can be caused by several different factors, no?
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Old 12-26-2012, 09:19 AM
 
Location: Houston
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A graph! I knew you could do it!!
What happens when interest rates rise?

What happened to the homeowners when their ARM's reset?
Projected interest payments are heading upwards, even if there is no increase in the rate of interest.
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Old 12-26-2012, 09:21 AM
 
Location: Houston
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You disagree? That wasn't my assessment, that was a fact. The Fed's balance sheet grew from $200 billion in 2008 to over $1.4 trillion today. I agree with you that we will gradually pay it down, however that is exactly what prolongs recessions. You described the situation where we have a recession similar to the one Japan has seen for the last 20+ years.

This is the problem. The majority of Obama's voters are very clueless when it comes to economics.
Japan's basic problem was their economy relied too much on exports. As competitors, such as China and India, came on board Japan's economy went into the tank.
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Old 12-26-2012, 09:24 AM
 
Location: Dallas, TX
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And you do realize that problems surrounding how to get out of a prolonged recession can be caused by several different factors, no?
Several, yes. Unlike, "this is what I believe, and I'm going to stick with it". But, you brought in Japan, and I mentioned its struggle to get out of deflationary cycles. Did you disagree with it?
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Old 12-26-2012, 09:25 AM
 
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Japan's basic problem was their economy relied too much on exports. As competitors, such as China and India, came on board Japan's economy went into the tank.
I think you missed my point. I was pointing to a country which has been in a prolonged recession as a warning to the United States to do whatever it can to avoid getting into a similar situation. Obviously the causes of the economic problems with Japan and the United States are very, very different.
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Old 12-26-2012, 09:35 AM
 
Location: Palo Alto
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Projected interest payments are heading upwards, even if there is no increase in the rate of interest.
The cure to inflation is negative interest rates. Coming soon to a portfolio near you.
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Old 12-26-2012, 09:39 AM
 
Location: Florida
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Your statement is just more of the nonsense being rejected. The fact that you just continue to spout it shows you have simply learned nothing from that defeat.

Ken
It is weird that both parties created these safety nets, but when the crap finally hits the fan and people actually need the safety net, one party feighs ourtrage, and accuses people of being "takers" and "parasites" and "slaves". I dont' know anyone who lost a job, and did not want so find a new one ASAP. They did not feel enslaved, just because they accepted a UE check which helped them pay the bills until they found a new job.
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