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Old 12-28-2012, 10:18 AM
 
Location: Palo Alto
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That's the point - if you don't need RPGs, then you don't need semiauto rifles OR handguns.

The Founding Fathers were making do with single shot muskets when they wrote about the right to bear arms.
Everyone had a musket; both sides were equally armed. By your logic the average citizen today is far outgunned relative to the citizens and government of the Founding Fathers. I guess I'll order up a tank, RPG, an F-18 and a cruise missile or two.

I don't have an assault rifle or even an AR. But I did enlist and take an oath to defend the Constitution. We didn't get to line-item veto out the parts we didn't like.
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Old 12-28-2012, 10:51 AM
 
Location: the Beaver State
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Everyone had a musket; both sides were equally armed.
Then why did the Colonists try so hard to capture canons from the British? A few battles were specifically to do so.
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Old 12-28-2012, 11:42 AM
 
Location: Palo Alto
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Then why did the Colonists try so hard to capture canons from the British? A few battles were specifically to do so.
Because a cannon trumps a musket.
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Old 12-28-2012, 11:44 AM
 
Location: Wisconsin
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I don't see that at all. If Lanza did not take his AR into the school than the kids were shot with hand guns. Most likely 9mm and maybe the 10mm he is said to have had. So the AR did not shoot any of the kids. A hand gun is much easier to maneuver than an AR in close quarters. I don't see your argument at all in this new development.
A pump action sawed off shotgun would kill a lot of six year old children then revolvers too. I wonder if he libs want to ban sawed off shotguns too.
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Old 12-28-2012, 01:55 PM
 
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Is this another pedantic thread trying to split the hairs between a semi-auto AR type rifle and a 3rd burst version as used by the U.S. Military and most law-enforcement?
No, this is just another effort to expose the evidence of lies from the media, who are actively engaged in creating fictional stories to deceive you. But that doesn't even begin to describe what is really happening, but I'm going to do it, without beating around any more bushes.

There is good news and bad news in what I'm about to tell you. The good news should be a real relief for those who have displayed such genuine and natural sorrow for the innocent children victims of this horrifying event ... bad news for those who just fein such emotions, while secretly rejoicing in the helpful assistance this "tragedy" provides their agenda for gun control and 2nd Amendment destruction. To the latter, I'm sorry to inform you that either the apparent budget crisis, or renown government incompetence has led to a rather sloppily implemented hoax, which fully revealed and understood by the general public will destroy your traitorous plans to subvert the United States Constitution once and for all. To those true caring individuals, LISTEN CAREFULLY .... the good news is, there is a very strong likelihood that no children were actually harmed in making this "made for prime time news" docudrama posing as a real event.

Of course, that is just a reasonable speculation based on the growing and undeniable evidence that appears to show that one such alleged victim, Emily Parker, (pictured here)



most certainly was not murdered, and that her alleged father, Robert Parker, is a total fraud actor, just as he appeared to be when presenting his contrived prepared media statements that wouldn't qualify as a B-roll performance in a school play. It seems, that Barack Obama really is the Messiah incarnate, as he apparently as the ability to raise the dead .... here, our Messiah-In-Chief, just prior to giving his heartfelt condolences at the memorial service for the victims, is photographed hugging a very much alive and well, Emily Parker on the right side, and a picture of the "Parker Family, on the left that includes poor departed Emily, wearing the same dress as the remarkably identical looking live child hugging Obama:

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Notice the dress matches, and so does the face of this child. Combined with the video that shows a smiling and jovial Robert Parker and "Dad" of Emily, who then instantly shifts into the distraught father routine as the interview begins, along with the contrived nature of the words coming from him, to include his prayers and thoughts going out to the "shooter's family", as he "cannot imagine how hard this must be for them" ( ), and one would have to be terribly "thick" not to see what is going on here. Now look at the video of Robert Parker, and analyze his body language, his verbal language, and the absence of real tears and real emotion one would expect from a grieving father who just lost his child:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sino1wwm3cs

The finer points might be easy to overlook if you simply don't think, but impossible to miss if you actually do use your head. The bizarre nature of a grieving father sitting down in the immediate aftermath of his baby girl's brutal murder, to prepare a written statement for the media .. irrespective of the equally bizarre nature of the content, is just not remotely believable or real. People just don't naturally behave this way .. and it was clear that he was reading from a previously prepared written statement. Who would do this? NOBODY. He's an actor ... and when you see his smiles and jovial nature just prior to the presentation, and then witness the "shift" as he takes a couple of deep breaths ... you see an actor preparing for and getting into role.

And this is just one of the many elements that don't add up. There are many many more ... just for your contemplation, lets list a few:

1) Initial reports that the mother was dead on the scene at the school, and was a school teacher there. That changed to her being killed at home, not the school, and that she was just a substitute teacher, which is why she wasn't at the school. Then, the news was that she had no affiliation whatsoever with the school.

2) Initial reports were one shooter dead inside, and one, possibly two suspects outside. There is even police video and audio of a man apprehended in the woods, wearing camo pants and black jacket. There is video of an interview with one of the kids who said he saw the police march off a man wearing camo pants and black jacket who was in handcuffs. Just hours later, that information is never repeated or explained, and the classic story of the "lone gunman" becomes the ONLY story.

3)The reports told of 2 pistols and 1 dreaded AR15 "assault rifle" ... the rifle and pistols found by the shooters body. Now we hear that the rifle was in the trunk of the car, and not used in the crime. and now, the story is that there might be 4 pistols that were found. One shooter ... 4 pistols? Does that make sense? Does any of it make sense? No ... and it's not supposed to make sense ... it doesn't need to make sense, because few people will even bother to spend 5 seconds to think about this pile of conflicting nonsense and just accept whatever the final story is told them. Sadly.

4) Of course, it's just a miraculous and bizarre coincidence that a portion of "Gotham City" was renamed "Sandy Hook" and prominently visible on the movie's map in the latest Batman movie. Sure it's just a coincidence.

5) And just a coincidence that the recent devastating hurricane that caused such damage to "Gotham City" aka New York City, was called ...... wait for it ...... Hurricane Sandy.

6) Some coincidences are less likely than others, and some aren't even known unless someone does some serious digging ... like the people who have discovered that the Sandy Hook "shooter's" father, connected to the Financial Industry, was slated to testify before a congressional committee investigating the LIBOR scandal ... perhaps the greatest financial scandal in history (mysteriously under-reported by the US mainstream media given the magnitude of the crime, which affected every person on planet earth who uses money). Where's the coincidence? Good question .... the coincidence resides in the fact that the father of the Colorado Theater shooter was ALSO scheduled to testify before the same committee on the same subject. But surely, this too is just a bizarre, unconnected coincidence. Just as it was a coincidence that the Theater shooting also had reports and eye witnesses claiming another shooter was involved there, which was summarily dismissed by the media and official accounts, insisting on the familiar "lone gunman" theme.

People ... you are being victimized and deceived and manipulated by staged tactical psychological warfare operations ... manufactured media events to manipulate and steer public opinion in furtherance of political agendas, by criminals posing as your duly elected government.

The good news here is that 20 children were not brutally murdered. The bad news is, a ton of bricks falling on the head is apparently insufficient to wake the majority up to this manipulation. The public in large numbers seem helpless and totally consumed by these staged events, refusing to actually think for themselves .... and perfectly willing to accept any contrived story, no matter how nonsensical, contradictory and transparently phony it may be.

Time to grow up, and wake up, people. These manipulators do not have your best interests at heart, and continuing to allow yourselves to be so easily manipulated and controlled can only result in negative consequences.

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Old 12-28-2012, 01:57 PM
 
Location: southern california
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the schools would love to pin this entire affair on NRA. that would make them more comfortable with their complete non existent security system.
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Old 12-28-2012, 02:03 PM
 
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used by the U.S. Military and most law-enforcement?
Summed up what i was going to post.

But I'm a conspiracy theorist so ignore this post.
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Old 12-28-2012, 02:05 PM
 
Location: Clear Lake Area
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Notice the dress matches, and so does the face of this child.


The face and dress match because it's her little sister wearing a hand me down dress. The family picture with Emile wearing the dress was clearly taken a couple years ago, as it's obvious to any parent that the kids have aged.

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Old 12-28-2012, 02:09 PM
 
Location: Clear Lake Area
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the schools would love to pin this entire affair on NRA. that would make them more comfortable with their complete non existent security system.
So where are the billions coming from to put an armed guard in every school in this country? You think our cashed strapped schools that face every exceeding classroom sizes, cuts to electives and extracurricular activities, and decreasing world standing has the money to divert to armed guards?

Say maybe an average school district has 10 buildings. If you pay an armed guard a yearly salary of $50k, you're looking at say $100k per year after training, expenses and benefits. So your average school district now has to divert $1 million from where?
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Old 12-28-2012, 02:12 PM
 
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No, this is just another effort to expose the evidence of lies from the media, who are actively engaged in creating fictional stories to deceive you. But that doesn't even begin to describe what is really happening, but I'm going to do it, without beating around any more bushes.

There is good news and bad news in what I'm about to tell you. The good news should be a real relief for those who have displayed such genuine and natural sorrow for the innocent children victims of this horrifying event ... bad news for those who just fein such emotions, while secretly rejoicing in the helpful assistance this "tragedy" provides their agenda for gun control and 2nd Amendment destruction. To the latter, I'm sorry to inform you that either the apparent budget crisis, or renown government incompetence has led to a rather sloppily implemented hoax, which fully revealed and understood by the general public will destroy your traitorous plans to subvert the United States Constitution once and for all. To those true caring individuals, LISTEN CAREFULLY .... the good news is, there is a very strong likelihood that no children were actually harmed in making this "made for prime time news" docudrama posing as a real event.

Of course, that is just a reasonable speculation based on the growing and undeniable evidence that appears to show that one such alleged victim, Emily Parker, (pictured here)



most certainly was not murdered, and that her alleged father, Robert Parker, is a total fraud actor, just as he appeared to be when presenting his contrived prepared media statements that wouldn't qualify as a B-roll performance in a school play. It seems, that Barack Obama really is the Messiah incarnate, as he apparently as the ability to raise the dead .... here, our Messiah-In-Chief, just prior to giving his heartfelt condolences at the memorial service for the victims, is photographed hugging a very much alive and well, Emily Parker on the right side, and a picture of the "Parker Family, on the left that includes poor departed Emily, wearing the same dress as the remarkably identical looking live child hugging Obama:



Notice the dress matches, and so does the face of this child. Combined with the video that shows a smiling and jovial Robert Parker and "Dad" of Emily, who then instantly shifts into the distraught father routine as the interview begins, along with the contrived nature of the words coming from him, to include his prayers and thoughts going out to the "shooter's family", as he "cannot imagine how hard this must be for them" ( ), and one would have to be terribly "thick" not to see what is going on here. Now look at the video of Robert Parker, and analyze his body language, his verbal language, and the absence of real tears and real emotion one would expect from a grieving father who just lost his child:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sino1wwm3cs

The finer points might be easy to overlook if you simply don't think, but impossible to miss if you actually do use your head. The bizarre nature of a grieving father sitting down in the immediate aftermath of his baby girl's brutal murder, to prepare a written statement for the media .. irrespective of the equally bizarre nature of the content, is just not remotely believable or real. People just don't naturally behave this way .. and it was clear that he was reading from a previously prepared written statement. Who would do this? NOBODY. He's an actor ... and when you see his smiles and jovial nature just prior to the presentation, and then witness the "shift" as he takes a couple of deep breaths ... you see an actor preparing for and getting into role.

And this is just one of the many elements that don't add up. There are many many more ... just for your contemplation, lets list a few:

1) Initial reports that the mother was dead on the scene at the school, and was a school teacher there. That changed to her being killed at home, not the school, and that she was just a substitute teacher, which is why she wasn't at the school. Then, the news was that she had no affiliation whatsoever with the school.

2) Initial reports were one shooter dead inside, and one, possibly two suspects outside. There is even police video and audio of a man apprehended in the woods, wearing camo pants and black jacket. There is video of an interview with one of the kids who said he saw the police march off a man wearing camo pants and black jacket who was in handcuffs. Just hours later, that information is never repeated or explained, and the classic story of the "lone gunman" becomes the ONLY story.

3)The reports told of 2 pistols and 1 dreaded AR15 "assault rifle" ... the rifle and pistols found by the shooters body. Now we hear that the rifle was in the trunk of the car, and not used in the crime. and now, the story is that there might be 4 pistols that were found. One shooter ... 4 pistols? Does that make sense? Does any of it make sense? No ... and it's not supposed to make sense ... it doesn't need to make sense, because few people will even bother to spend 5 seconds to think about this pile of conflicting nonsense and just accept whatever the final story is told them. Sadly.

4) Of course, it's just a miraculous and bizarre coincidence that a portion of "Gotham City" was renamed "Sandy Hook" and prominently visible on the movie's map in the latest Batman movie. Sure it's just a coincidence.

5) And just a coincidence that the recent devastating hurricane that caused such damage to "Gotham City" aka New York City, was called ...... wait for it ...... Hurricane Sandy.

6) Some coincidences are less likely than others, and some aren't even known unless someone does some serious digging ... like the people who have discovered that the Sandy Hook "shooter's" father, connected to the Financial Industry, was slated to testify before a congressional committee investigating the LIBOR scandal ... perhaps the greatest financial scandal in history (mysteriously under-reported by the US mainstream media given the magnitude of the crime, which affected every person on planet earth who uses money). Where's the coincidence? Good question .... the coincidence resides in the fact that the father of the Colorado Theater shooter was ALSO scheduled to testify before the same committee on the same subject. But surely, this too is just a bizarre, unconnected coincidence. Just as it was a coincidence that the Theater shooting also had reports and eye witnesses claiming another shooter was involved there, which was summarily dismissed by the media and official accounts, insisting on the familiar "lone gunman" theme.

People ... you are being victimized and deceived and manipulated by staged tactical psychological warfare operations ... manufactured media events to manipulate and steer public opinion in furtherance of political agendas, by criminals posing as your duly elected government.

The good news here is that 20 children were not brutally murdered. The bad news is, a ton of bricks falling on the head is apparently insufficient to wake the majority up to this manipulation. The public in large numbers seem helpless and totally consumed by these staged events, refusing to actually think for themselves .... and perfectly willing to accept any contrived story, no matter how nonsensical, contradictory and transparently phony it may be.

Time to grow up, and wake up, people. These manipulators do not have your best interests at heart, and continuing to allow yourselves to be so easily manipulated and controlled can only result in negative consequences.
I agree that things don't add up and that picture is very interesting. Another thing to note is that everyone who was escorted out of the school was told to close their eyes, so now nobody knows what actually happened in the school except for the cops.
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