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It's crystal clear why the GOP refuses to identify cuts. They want to rope the Democrats into cutting Social Security and Medicare then run against them in 2014 saying, "the Democrats cut Medicare."
Yes, BECAUSE we're talking about cutting programs near and dear to the dems. THEY have to decide which cuts they can live with.
Do you, seriosuly, think the dems would accept republican cuts????
Yes, BECAUSE we're talking about cutting programs near and dear to the dems. THEY have to decide which cuts they can live with.
Do you, seriosuly, think the dems would accept republican cuts????
If the GOP wants cuts to social programs, it's up to them to say what they want instead of asking Democrats to guess at what would appease Republicans.
If a man's girlfriend isn't making him happy, it's up to him to tell her what he would like, not have her guess.
Yes, BECAUSE we're talking about cutting programs near and dear to the dems. THEY have to decide which cuts they can live with.
Do you, seriosuly, think the dems would accept republican cuts????
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Originally Posted by MTAtech
If the GOP wants cuts to social programs, it's up to them to say what they want instead of asking Democrats to guess at what would appease Republicans.
There is plenty to cut before touching Defense, Medicare and SocSecurity.
There is plenty to cut before touching Defense, Medicare and SocSecurity.
Tell us what they are. We are all ears.
There are only five major areas in government spending: Defense, Medicare, Medicaid, interest on the debt and Social Security. If you aren't talking about those, you don't know what you are talking about.
It's crystal clear why the GOP refuses to identify cuts. They want to rope the Democrats into cutting Social Security and Medicare then run against them in 2014 saying, "the Democrats cut Medicare."
Both sides are equally to blame. Dems don't want to identify cuts so that they can points to Reps as the ones who cut SS/Medicare in 2014 and make a run at the house. Reps don't want to identify the cuts so that they can point to Dems in 2014 and make a run at the senate.
If you seriously think democrats are innocent little saints in this, you have seriously drunk too much koolaid. Both sides are as bad as the other.
If the GOP wants cuts to social programs, it's up to them to say what they want instead of asking Democrats to guess at what would appease Republicans.
If a man's girlfriend isn't making him happy, it's up to him to tell her what he would like, not have her guess.
No. Just as I cannot tell you how to cut your budget when you get your new tax bill next week, the republicans cannot tell the dems what cuts they will accept. Republicans have no issues making cuts. The question is what cuts will the dems agree to. That can only be decided by the dems themselves. Just like YOU must decide what cuts you are making next year to pay your new share of the higher tax bill. It is enough that the republicans have said the cuts are not deep enough. The dems need to decide what they can live with. I guarantee, just as you would reject me telling you how to cut your budget, the dems will reject the republicans telling them how to cut the budge. If the dems suggest the cuts, there's no risk of them rejecting them.
Both sides are equally to blame. Dems don't want to identify cuts so that they can points to Reps as the ones who cut SS/Medicare in 2014 and make a run at the house. Reps don't want to identify the cuts so that they can point to Dems in 2014 and make a run at the senate.
If you seriously think democrats are innocent little saints in this, you have seriously drunk too much koolaid. Both sides are as bad as the other.
It's really sad that above all, it comes down to politics. At the same time, it makes sense when you put things into perspective. Congress and the White House, despite being the center of our government, are really quite secluded in their own bubble. After all, most of them are at least millionaires, and no matter what decisions they make, it will never affect them or their immediate families.
I agree; neither party is innocent. But nothing will happen - hell I'll probably be getting drunk with friends at a club while the fiscal cliff passes, and will take my tax increases with a silent "oh well" like most middle class Americans. We are not yet close to the tipping point that would inspire true change to our government, but it will have to come eventually. I doubt we will expect it.
If we go over the cliff in the sense of sharp increases in middle class taxes, it will be Boehner who is driving the bus. He has the ability to put the proposal passed by the senate up for a vote. It would win with minority majority support and democrats (aka bipartisanship) - easily. But, doing that might well cost him his speakership next term and maybe his seat. He won't do that because he is looking out for his own ass and not for the country or the millions of people who will be seriously harmed if the current tax breaks and unemployment insurance lapse.
Can you clarify where you are coming from with this? You seem to be talking gibberish. When have we even referenced 'realism' in this thread?
Do you forget what you post in other threads? How do you propose, for example, cutting Medicare, Medicaid and VA spending much less "slowing" its increase? That is a $900 billion question for you.
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Originally Posted by hnsq
Both sides are equally to blame. Dems don't want to identify cuts so that they can points to Reps as the ones who cut SS/Medicare in 2014 and make a run at the house. Reps don't want to identify the cuts so that they can point to Dems in 2014 and make a run at the senate.
If you seriously think democrats are innocent little saints in this, you have seriously drunk too much koolaid. Both sides are as bad as the other.
So, you're basically saying that republicans were lying blatantly about $700 billion in cuts to Medicare spending, campaigning against Obama and Obama Care. Right?
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