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Old 01-02-2013, 08:04 PM
 
Location: Del Rio, TN
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We've been told for years now that the "Bush Tax Cuts" were somehow bad. That they only helped the rich. And of course that they were responsible for the ballooning budget deficits, caused the fiscal meltdown, high unemployment and everything short of scoliosis. And we've been told about how great things were during the Clinton era.

So, if that's the case, why were Democrats so adamant that "Bush era" tax rates on 98% of the population be continued? If they were really so evil, why didn't Obama and a Democratic Senate simply let them expire? I mean, heck we'd be right back before those nasty old tax cuts took place. If they only helped "the rich" why do you care about the 98% who would then be unaffected?

Or are they simply that terrified that the public will figure out they have been lied to when they saw their first paycheck of 2013? That they would realize that the lower tax rates really were due to a Republican president and congress?

My opinion only, house Republicans really screwed up by passing this latest bill. They could have simply let the rates return to the Clinton levels for a month or so and give much of the population a good bite of a reality sandwich.

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Old 01-03-2013, 12:39 AM
 
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They could've, but Obama made it clear that his first piece of legislation would be that same tax cut, except that instead of the tax hike hitting folks making 400-450k like it will under this deal, it would've been at the 200/250k mark instead. Then he was gonna dare the Republicans to reject it. The Bush Tax Cut then becomes the Obama Tax Cut when it passes. Is that what you want?

The Republicans took this deal because they had no choice. They were outmaneuvered.

BTW....the Clinton years really were wonderful...just so you know.
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Old 01-03-2013, 12:56 AM
 
Location: The Brat Stop
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We've been told for years now that the "Bush Tax Cuts" were somehow bad. That they only helped the rich. And of course that they were responsible for the ballooning budget deficits, caused the fiscal meltdown, high unemployment and everything short of scoliosis. And we've been told about how great things were during the Clinton era.

So, if that's the case, why were Democrats so adamant that "Bush era" tax rates on 98% of the population be continued? If they were really so evil, why didn't Obama and a Democratic Senate simply let them expire? I mean, heck we'd be right back before those nasty old tax cuts took place. If they only helped "the rich" why do you care about the 98% who would then be unaffected?

Or are they simply that terrified that the public will figure out they have been lied to when they saw their first paycheck of 2013? That they would realize that the lower tax rates really were due to a Republican president and congress?

My opinion only, house Republicans really screwed up by passing this latest bill. They could have simply let the rates return to the Clinton levels for a month or so and give much of the population a good bite of a reality sandwich.
Actually, from 2010 til present, those tax cuts were Obama tax cuts, not the GOP's.
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Old 01-03-2013, 01:41 AM
 
Location: CO/UT/AZ/NM Catch me if you can!
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I don't know where the OP gets the idea that any reasonable person - from either the right or the left - might claim that the tax cuts benefited only the wealthy. Must be suffering from a neocon hallucination of some sort.
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Old 01-03-2013, 01:46 AM
 
Location: The Brat Stop
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I don't know where the OP gets the idea that any reasonable person - from either the right or the left - might claim that the tax cuts benefited only the wealthy. Must be suffering from a neocon hallucination of some sort.
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Old 01-03-2013, 03:51 AM
 
Location: Pasadena, CA
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Eliminating the tax cuts at the start of the worst economic meltdown since the the Great Depression = not a good idea. That's why they were kept.
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Old 01-03-2013, 04:14 AM
 
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We've been told for years now that the "Bush Tax Cuts" were somehow bad. That they only helped the rich. And of course that they were responsible for the ballooning budget deficits, caused the fiscal meltdown, high unemployment and everything short of scoliosis. And we've been told about how great things were during the Clinton era.

So, if that's the case, why were Democrats so adamant that "Bush era" tax rates on 98% of the population be continued? If they were really so evil, why didn't Obama and a Democratic Senate simply let them expire? I mean, heck we'd be right back before those nasty old tax cuts took place. If they only helped "the rich" why do you care about the 98% who would then be unaffected?

Or are they simply that terrified that the public will figure out they have been lied to when they saw their first paycheck of 2013? That they would realize that the lower tax rates really were due to a Republican president and congress?

My opinion only, house Republicans really screwed up by passing this latest bill. They could have simply let the rates return to the Clinton levels for a month or so and give much of the population a good bite of a reality sandwich.
Maybe you were too young to remember the Clinton era, but it was great! There was prosperity for the poor, middle-class and wealthy. The poverty rate was at record lows and people were becoming millionaires at the same token.

Anyways, it's not a good idea to take money away from the middle-class during a delicate economic recovery because the middle-class drives demand, which drives business, which drives the economy. However, if we are serious about solving our deficit in the mean time without harming the middle-class, we need extra revenues in addition to spending cuts and entitlement reform, which is why 2% of Americans will see their income tax increase this year.
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Old 01-03-2013, 04:52 AM
 
Location: Baldock, hertfordshire, England
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Eliminating the tax cuts at the start of the worst economic meltdown since the the Great Depression = not a good idea. That's why they were kept.
Uhuh. Why not double spending and half all existing taxes then, if you think its that simple?

In fact, why not just get rid of taxes and borrow everything. The economy will surely be booming then, surely
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Old 01-03-2013, 05:02 AM
 
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I don't know where the OP gets the idea that any reasonable person - from either the right or the left - might claim that the tax cuts benefited only the wealthy. Must be suffering from a neocon hallucination of some sort.
So Democrats actually support the Bush tax cuts?

Even Democrats want the Bush tax cuts to continue | Page 3 | The Boneyard

PolitiFact | Bush tax cuts were passed with reconciliation's 50 votes

Democrats and the Bush Tax Cuts | The Baseline Scenario

The Effects of the 2003 Bush Tax Cuts | Redstate

I only suffer from a good memory.
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Old 01-03-2013, 05:07 AM
 
Location: Baldock, hertfordshire, England
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So you have two idiotic and treasonous parties. Theres a shocker.
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