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But, I don't think so for the next 12 years. We've got 4 more years of Obama, and then what looks to be 8 years of Hillary. (surely she will run, after taking a year off to re-charge) I think Bill and her are far too savvy to make any big foul-ups, that would prevent her winning, should she decide to run. Her candidacy will only widen the advantage that Dems currently hold with female (the majority) voters.
By 2024, the Dems will have firm control of the Supreme Court, which will ensure progressive thinking for generations to come. By the time the Repugnicans ever potentially recover, it will be too late.
If Dems are in the Oval Office until 2024 we won't have to worry about America anymore, China will own us at that point so we will just have to say Ni Hao and do what they tell us.
If Dems are in the Oval Office until 2024 we won't have to worry about America anymore, China will own us at that point so we will just have to say Ni Hao and do what they tell us.
I don't think it will take that long. It is quite amazing that people cheer on the destruction of the country to push their ideology. Of course when it all crashes and burns it will all be the fault of those evil right wing republicans and that george bush fella.
You are either delusional or joking saying you think your views are moderate. You almost completely described socialism as your viewpoint and as liberal as possible on social issues and government health care.
Oh and since we are throwing this out there just for fun I have also lived overseas and traveled all over. You are still a liberal so stop pretending.
Well, if you really have lived overseas (at least, in other Western countries), or if you just have a rudimentary understanding of other Western countries' politics, then you would know that the views that I described in the initial post are indeed actually considered to be very much moderate in the rest of the Western world. Obama and the Democratic party would absolutely be considered a conservative party in much/all of Western Europe and Canada. Ask any European or Canadian on this board, or just go and check out the world forums.
So you, my friend, are the one who is either delusional or joking.
You are delusional if you think people care what western europe or the canucks have to say. YOU go check out the world forums you seem to adore so much. If we're doing something the euroweenies or canucks don't like then we're doing something right. Living overseas seems to give you some attitude that you think you know more than anybody else for some reason. I say stay overseas and be happy in your elitist views and spare us in the US your condescending BS.
First off, I'm talking about the extreme right-wing fanatics that seem to have taken over the GOP, not moderate Republicans.
In my opinion, I think that this past election was a very telling one in the way that our great country is going. I think it showed that the majority (even though the country is very much split) simply do not favor the extremist views that have been coming from the GOP for the past few years because even though the economy is not completely recovered yet and we have debt/spending issues that need addressing, among the plethora of other problems, President Obama still won. I think a lot of this had to do with the fact that the right is now so extreme that people who might have been in the middle of the road still voted for the President, favoring him (although he might not be their favorite) over the likes of Mitt Romney.
Thus, I think that it's evident that GOP needs to enact some fundamental changes to many of its stances if it wants to remain viable in politics. They need to move away from these extremist views and leave the social issues at the door. I thought after this past election that the GOP would try to get rid of the teabaggers from their mainstram and try to move more central in order for them to put up a better fight in 2016. However, I think so far, I couldn't be more wrong. Most of the stuff that I see coming from the far-right is just as extreme and toxic as ever before (if not more)! Just look at some of the posts on this board! Don't they realize that if they keep this up they will continue to lose elections??? They're just isolating more and more people all the time it seems. I just don't get it, I think it's very obvious. This is especially true with the changing demographics of our country.
So what do you all think? Do you think the GOP will ever learn? Do you think they'll moderate in the future? And what do you think are their chances at being elected in upcoming election cycles?
BTW, some background info. Even though probably all the hardcore right-wingers on here would consider me a diehard liberal from that liberal "hellhole" of California, I actually think that my views are very moderate. Some of the basic things I believe in are: real universal health care for all (single-payer system), reasonable (read: a hell of a lot lower) college tuition costs, a comprehensive social- safety net, a progressive tax system, pro-choice, pro same-sex marriage, pro legalization of soft drugs. Now, I'm not saying we have to be Norway, but I think that we could learn many things from nations such as Canada and Australia, for example. By the way, I also believe in fiscal responsibility and living within our means, and I believe that cuts in spending do need to be made at the appropriate times in the appropriate places. But, like I said, I think these views are considered to be pretty moderate and reasonable in the rest of the developed world. And, also, I'd just like to say that I'm currently a university student who works and interns throughout the year, my parents both have masters degrees and are very sound financially, we've lived in numerous European countries and Japan, and have traveled around the world, etc. So, please, spare me one of the favorite far-right arguments that we "liberals" are stupid welfare addicted bums who don't work and just want to live off the government, etc. etc. That one really gets me every time.
Anyways, just felt the need to share that.
Please share your views and let us know what you think regarding my actual questions above. Have a nice night all.
*Runs to get popcorn and waits to be entertained*
EDIT: After reading the first few "responses" and literally LOL'ing I just have to say......And they really wonder why they drive people away and why their message isn't resonating with the majority of Americans????? Oh brother.......
Oh well, it'll be so much fun to hand them another defeat in 2016!
Nobody who claims the GOP has been taken over by fanatics can then turn around and claim to be a moderate. That's not a moderate position. Someone who actually had a moderate view of things could see beyond partisanship to recognize Reagan was more conservative than Romney and that the GOP has gone further to the center, not further to the right. You may call yourself a moderate, but actions speak louder than words.
You posted your message, then after getting some replies, went back to edit your message to mock the people who replied and say it's going to be "so much fun" to hand them a defeat. Again, not a moderate thing to do. That's what a partisan does, not a moderate.
The thing about liberals being stupid welfare addicts as a "favorite" right wing argument is again evidence of you not being moderate. That's nothing but a strawman. Actual conservative argument is that people within the social safety net will tend to vote for maintaining or increasing that net, and Democrats are happy to receive those votes even when maintaining or increasing the net drains the budget and creates a semi-permanent underclass.
What you might want to do if you want to really be a moderate is base your opinions on something other than MSNBC talking points.
I don't think it will take that long. It is quite amazing that people cheer on the destruction of the country to push their ideology. Of course when it all crashes and burns it will all be the fault of those evil right wing republicans and that george bush fella.
No, what's 'quite amazing' is that the same people that were so sure that Romney would crush Obama, are now claiming to have some unique insight into what the future holds. You wingnuts all live in your own delusional World, talking only to like thinking people.
"Well Billy Bob, I was just down at the lastest KKK cross burning, and I asked all them what they thought, and they all said I was right. So, there you have it. Scientific proof, that I'm right.
Yup, me too Gomer. Just yesterday, I was down at the Holy Rollers 1st Appalachian Church of Jesus Christ of snake worshippers, and they all told me that I was exactrly right, in everything I believe. So, I recken it's Gods will that we Southern Rednecks will rule the Earth."
Based on the track record of your 'predictions,' I'd say America can rest easy, knowing that the future is bright.
Yeah you same loons told me on a thread I started after the conn shootings asking if Obama would issue exec orders to go after guns that I was in my own delusional world etc. etc. etc. Well guess what hero...........YOU are the one who is delusional and based on your post you won't be allowed to purchase a firearm due to your mental issues. You can thank dear leader with a campaign donation. I know he isn't running anymore but doubt you do. You folks still think Bush was running last election.
No, the teabaggers and wingnuts will NEVER learn. They can't. This is particualrly true in the deep South, which I mention since Southerners have firm control of the testicles of all the cowardly Washington Repugnican 'leaders.'.
Look at history.
The Country had to go to war with the South in order to end slavery, even though by 1860 every other civilized first world country had long since abolished slavery.
We needed the Scopes trial in 1925 to even be able to teach Science, in the deep South.
It took until 1965, and dozens of Supreme Court ruling, to finally get rid of the Jim Crow laws. The National Guard was necessary to insure the rights of Southern Blacks to even attend the same Colleges and schools, as whites.
Even today, Southern States routinely Gerrymander voting districts, pass voter suppression laws, and often refuse to expand voting windows, as is common in the rest of the Coutry.
To this day, there is a high school in Jacksonville Florida named Nathan Bedford Forrest High. (Forrest was the founder, and initial Grand Dragon of the KKK) Today, this school is 55% black. Although there have been several attempts to get this schools name changed, all efforts have failed, with the standard argument given by the predominately white school board, "he is part of our heritage, and should be honored." Can anyone image a predominately Jewish, Adolph Hitler high school?
The point is that, at no time in its entire history has the conservative South EVER done the right thing on its own. In every case, they had to be forced into doing what any reasonable person with an IQ over 80, understood as common sense. They simply can't change. They're too ignorant, too bigoted, too scared, and too self serving.
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But, I don't think so for the next 12 years. We've got 4 more years of Obama, and then what looks to be 8 years of Hillary. (surely she will run, after taking a year off to re-charge) I think Bill and her are far too savvy to make any big foul-ups, that would prevent her winning, should she decide to run. Her candidacy will only widen the advantage that Dems currently hold with female (the majority) voters.
By 2024, the Dems will have firm control of the Supreme Court, which will ensure progressive thinking for generations to come. By the time the Repugnicans ever potentially recover, it will be too late.
The passage of single payer replacing ACA in 2017 under the leadership of Speaker Pelosi, Senate Majority Leader Reid, and President Clinton will be the turning point when the GOP formally separates fron the wing nuts. I dread single payer, but it is coming courtesy of the Tea Party. Courtesy of wing nuts like Todd Akin and Richard Murdoch positioning Reid with 55 seats after the GOP lost seats in the most favorable election setup it had seen since 1980.
By the time Clinton's first term has ended, we'll have the most progressive Supreme Court since Warren, and it will last for decades thereafter.
I fear the future the Tea Party has enabled. This is THEIR fault, as is 11/6/2012.
But, I don't think so for the next 12 years. We've got 4 more years of Obama, and then what looks to be 8 years of Hillary. (surely she will run, after taking a year off to re-charge) I think Bill and her are far too savvy to make any big foul-ups, that would prevent her winning, should she decide to run. Her candidacy will only widen the advantage that Dems currently hold with female (the majority) voters.
By 2024, the Dems will have firm control of the Supreme Court, which will ensure progressive thinking for generations to come. By the time the Repugnicans ever potentially recover, it will be too late.
Hey Nostradamus! So who's going to win the Super Bowl?
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