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Old 01-25-2013, 03:36 PM
 
Location: Dallas, TX
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Yes, I posted it.
I'm not surprised you didn't understand it given your hollow retort.
I should have expected the substandard "substance" knowing its source. No need to call something a hollow retort when it isn't even a proper response, which you should expect ONLY if you make a logical argument (parroting a rhetoric doesn't count as one in my world).
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Old 01-25-2013, 03:37 PM
 
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The government is not the constitution.

No treason is more odious than an attempt to subvert the constitution.
Who said it was?
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Old 01-25-2013, 03:38 PM
 
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Legal and right are two different things. Everything Hitler did was legal, and it was all wrong. The people have every right to overthrow the government if it is usurped by a tyrant.
I never said they don't have that right. I said it's not a legal right
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Old 01-25-2013, 03:40 PM
 
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And if a leader begins to defy his oath to the constitution and became tyrannical 1 year into a 4 year term?
That's why we have this thing called the Congress
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Old 01-25-2013, 03:40 PM
 
Location: San Diego, CA
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Overthrowing the government is not a constitutional right.
The usual wishful thinking from the usual liberals.

The 10th amendment says that "the states or the people" can do anything not specifically prohibited by the Constitution.

Is there a part of the Constitution that forbids overthrowing the government?

Keep in mind a part of an even older document, written by one of the same dead white guys, that states:

...when a long train of abuses and usurpations, pursuing invariably the same Object evinces a design to reduce them under absolute Despotism, it is their right, it is their duty, to throw off such Government...

That was the first law ever passed in the United States of America. And it is just as lawful and binding upon us today as it was then.

It's not just a right. It is our DUTY to overthrow the government when the govt starts abusing us badly enough.
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Old 01-25-2013, 03:42 PM
 
Location: In your head, rent free
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That's why we have this thing called the Congress
Which will do nothing whatsoever because they support their party and their fellow Democrat politicians than they support the American people.
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Old 01-25-2013, 03:44 PM
 
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Advocating for the overthrow of the US government does not meet the legal definition of treason, and it's legal under Brandenburg v Ohio

Criminalizing free speech - Salon.com
I wasn't talking about advocating
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Old 01-25-2013, 03:45 PM
 
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I don't know anybody who says it is.
The rightwingers who claim that the 2nd amendment gives us the right to bear arms so we can overthrow the gubmint say it is
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Old 01-25-2013, 03:51 PM
 
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The usual wishful thinking from the usual liberals.

The 10th amendment says that "the states or the people" can do anything not specifically prohibited by the Constitution.

Is there a part of the Constitution that forbids overthrowing the government?

Keep in mind a part of an even older document, written by one of the same dead white guys, that states:

...when a long train of abuses and usurpations, pursuing invariably the same Object evinces a design to reduce them under absolute Despotism, it is their right, it is their duty, to throw off such Government...

That was the first law ever passed in the United States of America. And it is just as lawful and binding upon us today as it was then.

It's not just a right. It is our DUTY to overthrow the government when the govt starts abusing us badly enough.
The 10th amendment does not allow treason. And yes, the Constitution does forbid treason. The word is in there several times and it is listed as a crime.

The Declaration of Independence was not a law.
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Old 01-25-2013, 03:58 PM
 
Location: The Woods
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I never said they don't have that right. I said it's not a legal right
Laws are just paper and ink. Apart from laws against physically harming one another, I've yet to read a single valid argument for blind adherence to laws. The way some people talk about "laws" you'd think God dropped them down from the sky to us. That's not the case. They're the product of people who crave wielding force over others for their own personal gain (no matter which "side" they're on). Why must anyone have loyalty to any government if he does not support it?
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