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You and Sarita were arguing about alimony, she brought up father's rights groups in a critical way, and someone else defended these groups. I supported Sarita, and Finally KidKaos asked for proof.
There you have it. A discussion of marriage, divorce and the court system is relevant to a "conversation about marriage," no? You were the one who wandered off about alimony, which is apparently such a pet subject for you even though you claim you've never been divorced that it's part of your C-D name ....
So where does the "Father's Rights" screed fit in?
My point is that bad divorce laws are a huge factor in the drastic drop in the marriage rate.
MY point is "Thank God there are still some good men and women around who marry, not only for 'love' but for honor, and who enjoy relationships built on common values and trust."
We're out there - don't give up! AND DON'T COMPROMISE!
If you want to be with a person of quality, you must first BE a person of quality. Like attracts like. Kinda like the old adage goes about people deserving the government they have? Usually people end up in bad marriages because they themselves made poor decisions.
I speak from experience. But thankfully, I got my head out of my arse and straightened myself up so that I was able to, not only attract a person of quality, but was also able to DISCERN a person of quality.
Oh? You can't scroll? I'm sorry. Go call your computer techie. Clearly something's wrong with your 'puter.
Ah - I was hoping you'd provide a clarification, because I was sincerely asking. Your remarks so far in this thread seemed to be sensible and moderate, so I was willing to assume you would want to modfiy what was, I think in most people's view, an extremely immoderate stance.
Instead, I take it you hold to that statement. In which case, I'm sorry to say, you come across as the most vile sort of sexist, and in the process vastly discredit your hitherto reasonable contributions.
There you have it. A discussion of marriage, divorce and the court system is relevant to a "conversation about marriage," no?
Well, no. The OP (mine) was about a think-tank initiative called "A New Conversation About Marriage" (as anyone who bothered to read the OP would know), rather than an invitation to a brawl between the scarred champions of the divorce courts and the gender wars.
Well, no. The OP (mine) was about a think-tank initiative called "A New Conversation About Marriage" (as anyone who bothered to read the OP would know), rather than an invitation to a brawl between the scarred champions of the divorce courts and the gender wars.
But whatever, carry on.
You can't have a conversation about the drop in the marriage rate without acknowledging that divorce laws are the most frequent reason given for not marrying.
"A New Conversation About Marriage" - if the point is to encourage marriage and discourage divorce, why wouldn't divorce laws be one of the major points of discussion? Denial? Ignorance? Disbelief? Political correctness?
As before? This is my first post in this thread, unless someone is borrowing my userid...
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Originally Posted by Saritaschihuahua
I'm speechless. I just don't know how to stop my tears thinking of these men who happily shot their sperm out to make their children, and now refuse to support them. It makes me quite sad, you know. Poor victimized men.
I'm a guy. I see things from a guy's point of view. You, not so much. I get that. You know... I'm sorry, it isn't fair, but biology being what it is, women should be held to a little higher standard than men when it comes to what is shot where and when. Unless its rape, of course. How many times is that the case? How many times did the woman simply forget to take her pill? How many times did she invite unprotected sex or simply allow it. This thread exists in part, because many men are no longer being real men and happily shooting live ammunition at unprotected ovum. This isn't turning out so well for those who would be chattel. So we see the dismissive threads about men who won't grow up and stay in mommy's basement and surf pornsites. Good for them, I say. I mean that in both senses.
Seems to me, everyone concerned should now be thrilled that men no longer much care to get it wet. But for us older guys who did our thing before all the BPA in the water turned our testicles to mush: In 60% of the cases the guy is not "refusing" to support his children. In 60% of arrears scenario's his personal circumstances have changed but the system is very unforgiving of changes in a negative direction. Somehow I don't think I am going to convince you so this is about as much as I'll make the effort to say...
You can't have a conversation about the drop in the marriage rate without acknowledging that divorce laws are the most frequent reason given for not marrying.
That may be your hypothesis, but it remains unproven - in fact, without even any substantial evidence.
One of many? I should hope so. The opinions of sixty-one couples in Columbus is hardly the definitive word on the subject.
Not to mention the logical inconsistency. Your position is that divorce is uniquely unfair to men - and yet the study you cite "found that women, particularly lower-income women, were concerned about being trapped in marriage and having no way out if things went awry".
Why, one asks, would women in Columbus, Ohio be concerned about being trapped in marriage if divorce is so favorable to them?
So where does the "Father's Rights" screed fit in?
My point is that bad divorce laws are a huge factor in the drastic drop in the marriage rate.
Your point is?
It fits in perfectly. I just don't know in which keyhole of the "Father's Rights" groups.
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wandered off about alimony, which is apparently such a pet subject for you even though you claim you've never been divorced that it's part of your C-D name .... 
It makes me quite sad, you know. Poor victimized men.
