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Old 02-03-2013, 09:47 AM
 
Location: San Francisco
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So what happens in Libertopia if you need to drive somewhere but haven't paid your monthly private road assessment? You don't think any violence would be involved?
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Old 02-03-2013, 09:51 AM
 
Location: Portland, Oregon
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The problem is that we never get a choice. I am mostly Libertarian, but I do not accept the open borders policy as long as third world backwaters exist. As for "services" I believe most of them would be covered by private investment or by voluntary subscription. The powers that be will always resist Libertarian ideals because they know that once they took hold, the current system backed by violence would fail.
So basically you want to live in community countries that are corporation owned?
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Old 02-03-2013, 09:51 AM
 
Location: Planet earth
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I liked each and every one of the 10 things on the list. Call it utopia if you want. I think it would be the closest thing to what the founding fathers envisioned and had that this country has seen in 130 to 150 years.
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Old 02-03-2013, 09:52 AM
 
Location: Portland, Oregon
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So what happens in Libertopia if you need to drive somewhere but haven't paid your monthly private road assessment? You don't think any violence would be involved?
They would never drive anywhere, they would be too busy working trying to pay off their debt to their corporation they work for that provides them with their services for a fee.
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Old 02-03-2013, 09:53 AM
 
Location: Long Island, NY
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We have already had that Libertarian Society, it was England in the 18th Century. Wasn't that a marvelous utopia? The rich didn't have to contribute to the welfare of the poor; industry was free to pump out whatever waste they wanted into the air and water; your could hire children at whatever wage-rate you wanted to work 16 hour days and, you had to pay for your own protection because their were no publicly paid police, etc.

It was such a utopia that Charles Dickens wrote "Oliver Twist," 'David Copperfield" and "A Christmas Carol," to illustrate how wonderful a libertarian society is. It's so much more desirable than today's world where children actually must attend school instead of working in a factory; where there is government rules that keep the air and water clean; where the rich pay taxes to support those that fall through the cracks.
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Old 02-03-2013, 09:54 AM
 
Location: Portland, Oregon
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I liked each and every one of the 10 things on the list. Call it utopia if you want. I think it would be the closest thing to what the founding fathers envisioned and had that this country has seen in 130 to 150 years.
Our founding fathers imagined a country with open borders and people being slaves to their corporations for the services they provide?
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Old 02-03-2013, 09:54 AM
 
Location: The Beautiful Pocono Mountains
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Of course to the far right you are a liberal, Marxist, communist.
I might be but those would be the radicals.

I'm far from liberal fiscally and far from conservative socially.

There's just no happy medium party. I know far more Rs that feel this way than not.
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Old 02-03-2013, 09:57 AM
 
Location: Portland, Oregon
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I might be but those would be the radicals.

I'm far from liberal fiscally and far from conservative socially.

There's just no happy medium party. I know far more Rs that feel this way than not.
I think if the Republicans gave up on the social issues and let them all pass, they would crush it in the elections cause they would be a much better party for more Americans.
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Old 02-03-2013, 09:59 AM
 
Location: City of Angels
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The problem is that we never get a choice. I am mostly Libertarian, but I do not accept the open borders policy as long as third world backwaters exist.
you don't think employers have the right to hire who they want? or landlords have the right to rent to who they want?
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Old 02-03-2013, 10:14 AM
 
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So what happens in Libertopia if you need to drive somewhere but haven't paid your monthly private road assessment? You don't think any violence would be involved?

Because libertarianism requires the ideologue to have an extreme case of unwarranted self importance along with a healthy dose of narcissism in order to truly believe it. The belief is that a societal shake-up will allow their ascent in the new class structure. They have no use for society as expressed through its social contract- government and consider it a hindrance. But instead of just opting out for an environment more in line with their principles, or operate within the rules that have been agreed upon by society, they choose to demand acquiescence and capitulation from said society. They seek not liberty, but the opportunity to tyrannize others- become a new ruling class. Why? Because its human nature. Or maybe I am too cynical...
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