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Actually it is. You're the one who claimed its a choice.
Remember saying that?
Since the alternative to it being a choice is a biological causation, one first must establish the biological causation in order for choice to be ruled out.
LOL You still think its a choice? Oh how quaint! Hey look its 1950 all over again.
how quaint you say its not a choice....
well then....
you say its not a choice...so we will say your statment is FACT then..its not a choice
then it must be something they are born with..like having 6 toes, or being albino, or having autism
since the pattern is neurologic (ie thoughts and actions) it certainly could be listed as a defect or mis-wiring just like aspergers or autism
if we agree that it is something they are 'born with' ......then its is an ABNORMALITY. then why not just define it as what it is...a BIRTH DEFECT,,,a DISABILITY...a NEUROLOGICAL CONDITION..a GENETIC ABNORMALITY.....just like downs syndrome, or autism, or aspergers
if it is not a choice (freewill, and the freedom to choose), and its something you are born with,,,,then it MUST be a defect from the norm
you say its not a choice...so we will say your statment is FACT then..its not a choice
then it must be something they are born with..like having 6 toes, or being albino, or having autism
since the pattern is neurologic (ie thoughts and actions) it certainly could be listed as a defect or mis-wiring just like aspergers or autism
if we agree that it is something they are 'born with' ......then its is an ABNORMALITY. then why not just define it as what it is...a BIRTH DEFECT,,,a DISABILITY...a NEUROLOGICAL CONDITION..a GENETIC ABNORMALITY.....just like downs syndrome, or autism, or aspergers
if it is not a choice (freewill, and the freedom to choose), and its something you are born with,,,,then it MUST be a defect from the norm
Why does it have to be considered a "defect?" Why does someone who is different from YOU have to be considered (by you) to be defective?
It could be like being born left handed or with red hair or with blue eyes. Not defective, just different from you (unless you are a blue eyed red head who is left handed).
It is what it is.
Anyway, who cares?
People are people, and even if it is a choice (which I don't think it is), why can't we just accept people for their choices and for who they are? As long as those choices aren't hurting you (and, no, letting gays participate in Scouts is NOT going to hurt you, anymore than your next door neighbors, Jane and Joan, getting married will), then what's the big deal?
Why don't you all just friggin' focus your energies on something that matters? Spend your time and your money trying to fix real problems instead of trying to dictate to others who they should love.
(And for the record, I found your post to be very offensive, not that I think you care. That's one thing we can all count on with people like you - total lack of compassion and empathy for others you deem to be "different.")
Why does it have to be considered a "defect?" Why does someone who is different from YOU have to be considered (by you) to be defective?
It could be like being born left handed or with red hair or with blue eyes. Not defective, just different from you (unless you are a blue eyed red head who is left handed).
It is what it is.
Anyway, who cares?
People are people, and even if it is a choice (which I don't think it is), why can't we just accept people for their choices and for who they are? As long as those choices aren't hurting you (and, no, letting gays participate in Scouts is NOT going to hurt you, anymore than your next door neighbors, Jane and Joan, getting married will), then what's the big deal?
Why don't you all just friggin' focus your energies on something that matters? Spend your time and your money trying to fix real problems instead of trying to dictate to others who they should love.
(And for the record, I found your post to be very offensive, not that I think you care. That's one thing we can all count on with people like you - total lack of compassion and empathy for others you deem to be "different.")
They (the homophobes) will never, ever answer that seminal question, "what business is it of yours ?"
Who someone is sleeping with, sexing with, cohabiting with, and/or marrying ... it doesn't affect them in any way possible. But they can't get it out of their minds. It offends their circumscribed moral universe.
Fortunately, their views are not carrying the day. I laugh at them. I pity them. Their lives must be so empty and without meaning.
if we agree that it is something they are 'born with' ......then its is an ABNORMALITY. then why not just define it as what it is...a BIRTH DEFECT,,,a DISABILITY...a NEUROLOGICAL CONDITION..a GENETIC ABNORMALITY.....just like downs syndrome, or autism, or aspergers
You're being rather extreme, but just for the benefit of the doubt, I'll humor you.
Those with Downs syndrome, autism or aspergers can serve in the boy scouts, can they not? They can get married too. Why not gay people? No one is going to catch gayness from a gay kid in the scouts or from a gay scoutmaster.
Rick Perry told a Boy Scouts of America convention that he hopes the organization will continue to ban membership of gay scouts and scout masters. Perry says he hopes the BSA will uphold its "traditional values", and that scouting is "no place to learn about sexuality"
Why do you think gays would be more trustworthy as scoutmasters than they are as priests? Scouting is about SCOUTING. Any attempt to make scouting a sexual platform of any sort, should bring immediate dismissal, either of a scoutleader or of a scout.
Nice tactics of predatory gay political groups to make recognizing the reality of concern of children a matter of discrimination. It is NOT a rumor that too many gay men see boys as sexual prey. To paint innocuous images of adult gays, male and female, embracing and in no way intrinsically different from heterosexual couples is to create an umbrella for a very diverse group. There are gay groups which prey specifically on very small boys, infancy onward. Just as there are relatively few females who prey sexually on children compared to males, so two males in a couple would not augur well for children on a massive scale.There are gays who like to kill boys, there are gay groups which exist solely for the purpose of defusing societys' protections of children under 10, 12, 16 etc. from sexual depredation. They all try to fit, for political purposes, into the sweet, innocuous image of m-m, w-w, gazing
with total concentration into each other eyes. However there are gay groups which advocate
gays setting themselves up as couples to become legally entitled to adopt boys. Under the broad umbrella such of political correctness, there would be little or no protection for the children, boys, such sexual predators legally obtain. Gay predator groups already know this.
Why do you think gays would be more trustworthy as scoutmasters than they are as priests? Scouting is about SCOUTING. Any attempt to make scouting a sexual platform of any sort, should bring immediate dismissal, either of a scoutleader or of a scout.
I think gays would be exactly as trustworthy as scoutmasters as they are as priests, which is to say the same as straight people. Being gay does not make you less trustworthy and no more priests molest kids than the general population does. It's just that more attention gets paid to it because they are priests.
I see no reason the boy scouts shouldn't accept gay scouts and scoutmasters, and also no reason they should be forced to if they don't want to.
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